Polish Immigrants

[Gully]

Where is the evidence that they are driving wages down, we have a bouyant economy, the birth rate is falling, we need people to work, if people want to come here and make a better life for themselves then I have absolutely no problem with that.

 

[Dandyman]

Explain why wanting immigration control is bigotry?


Yes the question was about Pollacks(Who are nice people) but my responce was to the comment of more the merrier which I took to be a generalisation.


Mind you if we drain out all the young talented labour from Poland it could be funny watching the polish economy slowley collapse.

I'm talking about controlls that work Dandyman.

The Poles are here because of the expansion of free market capitalism into eastern Europe. As you seem to be calling for even greater restrictions on the free movement of labour than currently exist I assume you no longer would regard yourself as a cheerleader for libertarian capitlaism ?

 

[looney]

Where is the evidence that they are driving wages down, we have a bouyant economy, the birth rate is falling, we need people to work, if people want to come here and make a better life for themselves then I have absolutely no problem with that.

wouldn't it be better to adress the low birth rate rather than hide one problem with another one? Neither is a longterm solution.

 

[Gully]

How would you choose to address the lower birthrate, you cannot force people to have children, we do not live in North Korea or pre-89 Romania. It is odd that the birthrate has continued to fall under Labour, God help us if the tories get in again, the party who vilified single mothers...they are the ones who are just about keeping us afloat in new births at the moment.

 

[cannedheat]

I wonder if the Germans wanted the British immigrant workers sent home in the 70 and 80s?

 

[Gully]

No, the Germans had a very good system of Gastarbeiten (guest workers) who helped build their country and economy during the boom time, they lacked sufficient skilled builders/plumbers/sparkies etc so the guest workers filled the gap...precisely the same situation that exists in the UK today.

 

[veade]

so do some of you think its alright for some of them coming over here and leaving their kids in Poland and then claiming child allowance for them

 

[Dandyman]

so do some of you think its alright for some of them coming over here and leaving their kids in Poland and then claiming child allowance for them

And your evidence for this is what exactly ?

 

[algie]

And your evidence for this is what exactly ?

A leftie wanting evidence.He doesn't like it. I know for a fact this is true

 

[looney]

The Poles are here because of the expansion of free market capitalism into eastern Europe. As you seem to be calling for even greater restrictions on the free movement of labour than currently exist I assume you no longer would regard yourself as a cheerleader for libertarian capitlaism ?

As I have tried to explain to you economicaly illiterate rentagobs.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE MARKET.

Markets are regulted. Exceptions are blackmarkets, drugs prostitution etc.

Markets need regulating to stop things like market distortions, Negative exsternalities and market failures etc.

I assume you aprove of the weights and measures act when you go down the pub? Also that Driving should be licensed?
Every legal market is regulated so why shouldn't a labour market be regulated when it faces a massive distortion due to differences in real wages etc?

There is no hypocricy in what I say only your ignorance of economics and your fall back on leftwing cliches.

Oh and son, maybe at some point someone will take you aside and have a quiet word with you to let you know that your not clever enough to put words into my mouth.

Libertarian Capitalism? What the fucks that?

As I said to London Idiot. Liberty for who? Liberty for people who want to come here or liberty for people who live here to decide who comes here?

Obviously you follow the foreigners first dictum. You are the political equivelant of a doormat that likes to be walked over. A self hating lefty and thats all you are.

 

[cannedheat]

A leftie wanting evidence.I know for a fact this is true

Cmon lets hear it.

 

[algie]

London Idiot

 

[veade]

it is true and also the goverment have given them money to buy cars they don't do that for the english and also the more people that come over here and take jobs the better for the goverment it looks as there are not as many jobs going

 

[Gully]

What World are you living in veade, it certainly isn't a parallel one.

 

[looney]

How would you choose to address the lower birthrate, you cannot force people to have children, we do not live in North Korea or pre-89 Romania. It is odd that the birthrate has continued to fall under Labour, God help us if the tories get in again, the party who vilified single mothers...they are the ones who are just about keeping us afloat in new births at the moment.

You can alter tax incentives which help. And its not single parents who are the problem its the middle classes.


It is also a pretty big question. The longterm future of feminism depends on the answer.

 

[algie]

Just for the Lefties who don't want to know the truth.ENJOY



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=400309&in_page_id=1770

 

[veade]

it has been well documented i have personally spoke to car dealers that are laughing at the fact that a foreigner wants a car and then gets a goverment cheque to pay for that car BUT of course that my opinion i am aloud to have one of them arnt i or have i lost that like we have lost freedom of speech and now need to be told what we are allowed to say

 

[Gully]

The problems with the falling birth rate are caused by quite a few different factors, not least that women are delaying the time that they have their first child to later in their life, this can be for a multitude of reasons, not least the wish to have a career and provide a stable home for their child. Perhaps there should be tax incentives to encourage women to have more children and earlier, thus reducing the average age between the generations, I thought that we already had a generous family tax credit system to do this, I am certainly paying tax accordingly.

This isn't just something that effects the UK as I believe that it is also a problem in Italy, Spain and France. What is the solution, I can't say that there are any easy answers, does anyone?

 

[cannedheat]

Just for the Lefties who don't want to know the truth.ENJOY



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=400309&in_page_id=1770

I was going OK for you till the words Daily Mail came up.
I am off to Warsaw in March for a business trip, I will give them your regards.

 

[algie]

I was going OK for you till the words Daily Mail came up.
I am off to Warsaw in March for a business trip, I will give them your regards.

Just let me know if you want another paper link.