[Albion] Pascal Groß the raumdeuter - officially leaves for Dortmund :(

[dwayne]

I honestly believe Pascal will run his contract down with us. Then he’ll get a nice fat signing on fee when he moves on a free next summer.

That will be the best all round solution I think for all parties. We desperately need to find a couple of new CMs or baleba needs to step up.

 

[American Seagle]

He really needs a new contact fast.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Not sure we would pay £6M plus wages for a player that would leave for free in 12 months.
Ansu Fati on loan would be fairly equivalent to having done that, and we got burnt. I think that was all De Zerbi demanding and Barber trying to keep him happy, it won't happen again.

I hadn’t anticipated you misunderstanding my points quite this much.

 

[maffew]

Wouldn't it be huge risk for him.to run contract down and leave on a free? What if he got an injury? I don't know much on these things but I'd think their agents would likely advise to negotiate contracts wherever possible?

 

[Baldseagull]

I hadn’t anticipated you misunderstanding my points quite this much.

I am willing to try and understand, if you are willing to try and explain where I have missed your point.

 

[jackanada]

Wouldn't it be huge risk for him.to run contract down and leave on a free? What if he got an injury? I don't know much on these things but I'd think their agents would likely advise to negotiate contracts wherever possible?

A years extension with an agreement to leave at a nominal fee to a German club in 12 months seems good to me.
We get the final year, he gets to go where he wants, if he's injured he's got a paid year and our facilities to rehab.

 

[dippy2449]

Fairly certain he will be making contacts during the EURO's.
At the end of the day we can hope all we like but it will be down to Pascal, if he wants to leave then he will and we should all wish him well and thank him for his tremendous service.
I hope he stays though.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I am willing to try and understand, if you are willing to try and explain where I have missed your point.

Basically you stated that Paul Barber would rather get £3m for him than let him go on a free. I then said if you bought a player for £30m they cost you £6m per year so keeping a player to the end of their contract is worth way more than getting £3m or so before their contract ends (unless the player wants to go). You then bring Fati into this discussion and would you buy a player for £6m for 1 year - completely missing the point we’d be keeping a player we’ve had for 7 years. You don’t seem to be placing any value on the year we’d get from Pascal if he did stay - and it would be worth a lot more than £3m to us.

 

[Baldseagull]

Basically you stated that Paul Barber would rather get £3m for him than let him go on a free. I then said if you bought a player for £30m they cost you £6m per year so keeping a player to the end of their contract is worth way more than getting £3m or so before their contract ends (unless the player wants to go). You then bring Fati into this discussion and would you buy a player for £6m for 1 year - completely missing the point we’d be keeping a player we’ve had for 7 years. You don’t seem to be placing any value on the year we’d get from Pascal if he did stay - and it would be worth a lot more than £3m to us.

I think it's you that has misunderstood me then.
It doesn't matter how long Pascal has been here, he has a cash value today that will evaporate over the next 12 months.

I value Gross, and want him to stay until he can't play anymore. I worry that Barber would rather sell this window, than lose all transfer value on him by next summer.

The question really is, at what level would we sell Pascal, with just year of contract left and the belief that he will not renew.

The point about Fati was to highlight that your £30M player over 5 years being worth £6m a year, doesn't factor in that we as a club would not usually spend £30M plus wages on a player that we couldn't sell before his contract expired. We try and make money player trading.
The Fati deal was analogous to having a player for one year at that sort of expense, with no possibility to recoup any of the outlay, it was a bad deal, and it won't happen again.
Apologies if I am still missing something, I don't think we are in big disagreement though. We both want him to stay, I just think there is a lower cash value placed on him by the club than you do, but you would agree that there is a price where he would be sold, wouldn't you?

 

[Machiavelli]

Well, I have a completely different view of this. If Pascal wants to go this summer, he'll go; if he wants to stay for one more season, then he'll either do something along the lines @jackanada suggests or just run his contract down.
All players are not bargaining chips for the club to maximise their value. Pascal has been such a stunning servant for the club that the club will be willing to facilitate whatever Pascal decides to do, eg allow to leave for a small fee, so he can get a decent (and probably final) contract.
PB doesn't dictate transfer policy, the key figure is TB.

 

[macbeth]

 

[BrickTamland]

A clear sign Fabs knows what he is doing

 

[pigmanovich]

Not directly Gross-related, but Callum Styles -- Barnsley's English-born Hungary international -- is similarly insanely versatile. Positional flexibility that made me think of our man.

 

[Hiheidi]

Interesting that he seems to have got himself a new agent, who incidentally also represents RDZ.

 

[Seagull58]

Well, I have a completely different view of this. If Pascal wants to go this summer, he'll go; if he wants to stay for one more season, then he'll either do something along the lines @jackanada suggests or just run his contract down.
All players are not bargaining chips for the club to maximise their value. Pascal has been such a stunning servant for the club that the club will be willing to facilitate whatever Pascal decides to do, eg allow to leave for a small fee, so he can get a decent (and probably final) contract.
PB doesn't dictate transfer policy, the key figure is TB.

According to PBOBE, TBMBE let's him make all the decisions except the appointment of the manager, which is totally in TBMBE's wheelhouse.

 

[Flounce]

Interesting that he seems to have got himself a new agent, who incidentally also represents RDZ.

That does not sound good

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I think it's you that has misunderstood me then.
It doesn't matter how long Pascal has been here, he has a cash value today that will evaporate over the next 12 months.

I value Gross, and want him to stay until he can't play anymore. I worry that Barber would rather sell this window, than lose all transfer value on him by next summer.

The question really is, at what level would we sell Pascal, with just year of contract left and the belief that he will not renew.

The point about Fati was to highlight that your £30M player over 5 years being worth £6m a year, doesn't factor in that we as a club would not usually spend £30M plus wages on a player that we couldn't sell before his contract expired. We try and make money player trading.
The Fati deal was analogous to having a player for one year at that sort of expense, with no possibility to recoup any of the outlay, it was a bad deal, and it won't happen again.
Apologies if I am still missing something, I don't think we are in big disagreement though. We both want him to stay, I just think there is a lower cash value placed on him by the club than you do, but you would agree that there is a price where he would be sold, wouldn't you?

We sign players to play for us. We sometimes sell players for a vast profit. Pascal on the pitch is worth far more to us than the £3 million we might get if we sell him now.

If it was about cashing in ASAP we'd be better off bulldozing the AMEX and selling the site for flats.

 

[Home and Away]

 

[Baldseagull]

We sign players to play for us. We sometimes sell players for a vast profit. Pascal on the pitch is worth far more to us than the £3 million we might get if we sell him now.

If it was about cashing in ASAP we'd be better off bulldozing the AMEX and selling the site for flats.

I think so too, just not sure PBOBE does. Maybe at £3M PB wouldn't sell either, but I don't think it would take a lot more, unless Fab Hurzeler made big objections.

 

[dazzer6666]

We sign players to play for us. We sometimes sell players for a vast profit. Pascal on the pitch is worth far more to us than the £3 million we might get if we sell him now.

If it was about cashing in ASAP we'd be better off bulldozing the AMEX and selling the site for flats.

No way in the world we’d let him go for £3m.……….even with one year left on his contract it’d be comfortably in 8 figures.

Like most I hope all the talk is irrelevant anyway and Fabi desperately wants to keep him. New contract for him please PBOBE.