national strike

[BadFish]

one tidbit of information that came out to day was the public-private pay gap, which is 4.3% for men and 10.5%. thats a gap in *favour* of the public sector, which surprised me, and offers an interest insight to alot of arguements made.

Maybe that is the Politicians pushing up the average? Hard to know with so little detail in your statistic.

 

[beorhthelm]

Maybe that is the Politicians pushing up the average? Hard to know with so little detail in your statistic.

or maybe not, originally from IFS, see this Guardian coverage about 4th paragrpah from bottom.

 

[Southy]

Wow I never thought about it like that,I see things clearly now. I'm converted I'm off to join the BNP and have a lobotomy.

.......I f***ing hate grasshoppers, the green bastards......

it's working, it's working.........not like that f***ing green grasshopper!...........This is bliss.

Does this mean Guy Butters is right wing? Oh f***. Its like when I met Steve Foster and he went on and on about how great Thatcher was. Never met your heroes... Has there ever been a left wing footballer? Pat Nevin and Joey Barton are the only two I can think of.

 

[Uncle C]

Does this mean Guy Butters is right wing? Oh f***. Its like when I met Steve Foster and he went on and on about how great Thatcher was. Never met your heroes... Has there ever been a left wing footballer? Pat Nevin and Joey Barton are the only two I can think of.

With what they earn, do you think thats likely?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Does this mean Guy Butters is right wing? Oh f***. Its like when I met Steve Foster and he went on and on about how great Thatcher was. Never met your heroes... Has there ever been a left wing footballer? Pat Nevin and Joey Barton are the only two I can think of.

Fergie is a leftie

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

With what they earn, do you think thats likely?

Interesting comment. I have this (slightly warped) theory that some groups of the working class aspire to vote Tory. Is this the same with footballers?

 

[Questions]

As I grow older I find myself surrounded by friends and family who seem to be moving further and further to the right. It scares me.

 

[beorhthelm]

Interesting comment. I have this (slightly warped) theory that some groups of the working class aspire to vote Tory. Is this the same with footballers?

nothing warped about that, its what "mondeo man" represents isnt it?

 

[BadFish]

Does this mean Guy Butters is right wing? Oh f***. Its like when I met Steve Foster and he went on and on about how great Thatcher was. Never met your heroes... Has there ever been a left wing footballer? Pat Nevin and Joey Barton are the only two I can think of.

Robbie Fowler and Steve Mcmanaman always struck me as pretty left wing. Given most of them are working class you would think there would be many more.

 

[fork me]

bunch of ungrateful wankers.

What exactly should public sector workers be grateful for? They do a job and get paid for it. They should be no more grateful than I the barman is who serves me the beer I pay for.

As it is with these reforms they still have better pensions than most in the private sector. People atm want everything for nothing and are unwilling to make comprimises.

And also lower salaries.

Let me give you my nperspective. I'm a chemistry graduate, whith extra specialities in microbiology and pharmaceutrical science. I chose teaching as a career, because I wanted to make a difference rather than spend my life making money for someone else. Given my qualifications, as a teacher I earned around half, probably less than half, than I could in the private sector. The payback was a better pension. Still not a great pension, I was never gonna be rich when I retire, not even well off if truth be known, but at least secure. I don't think that's a lot to expect in return for taking a much lower salary all my life to serve the local community.

Now the government says they're not going to honour the contract I signed, but want to pay me later and pay me less. I paid into a scheme with a contractual obligation, that should be honoured. What sort of mug do you take me (and people like me) for?

I'm 100% in favour of this strike. Some of the unions striking here (the NAHT for example) have NEVER called a strike before in their entire history. These are not just militant unions striking.

 

[fork me]

There goes the voice of reason, a clearly succinct and well thought out response - you sir are a moron![/QUOTE]

So name calling is clearly a well thought out response?

To be honest, when some makes a morinic post, then calling them a moron could be considered justified.

HTH

 

[fork me]

Some of these strikers are looking at pensions as low as 6 grand a year yet are beng told they have to work longer and contribute more by a bunch of old Etonian millionaires. That doesn't strike me as being fair.

Not only that, but idiots are calling a £6k a year pension "guilt edged".

Hell, £6k a year doesn't even pay the rent on a bedsit in Brighton.

 

[fork me]

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for one more typical example, someone on a final salary of 35k will get a pension of 22k.

Errr, no they won't. Not even if they've done the full 40 years.

 

[hitony]

To be honest, when some makes a morinic post, then calling them a moron could be considered justified.

HTH

What one person considers to be a "moronic post" is another persons opinion, and I don't think that in a debate it is necessary to resort to insult's when it is only a persons opinion.

 

[beorhthelm]

Errr, no they won't. Not even if they've done the full 40 years.

my partner does public sector pensions, and the formula can be found on t'interwebs. typically final salary is calculated as salary/60 * years service. differnet groups with in the public sector may differ slightly, but thats certainly the sort of formula used for central government departments.

 

[Billy the Fish]

What exactly should public sector workers be grateful for? They do a job and get paid for it. They should be no more grateful than I the barman is who serves me the beer I pay for.



And also lower salaries.

Let me give you my nperspective. I'm a chemistry graduate, whith extra specialities in microbiology and pharmaceutrical science. I chose teaching as a career, because I wanted to make a difference rather than spend my life making money for someone else. Given my qualifications, as a teacher I earned around half, probably less than half, than I could in the private sector. The payback was a better pension. Still not a great pension, I was never gonna be rich when I retire, not even well off if truth be known, but at least secure. I don't think that's a lot to expect in return for taking a much lower salary all my life to serve the local community.

Now the government says they're not going to honour the contract I signed, but want to pay me later and pay me less. I paid into a scheme with a contractual obligation, that should be honoured. What sort of mug do you take me (and people like me) for?

I'm 100% in favour of this strike. Some of the unions striking here (the NAHT for example) have NEVER called a strike before in their entire history. These are not just militant unions striking.

I've seen a few teachers give this argument, and I don't understand it. If you wanted to be a teacher then fair enough, but you can't then use the fact that you could get a higher paid job to improve your terms as a teacher.

That's like me giving up my IT job to do a paper round, because I want to serve the community and make sure they have reading material every morning, then arguing with the shop owner for only paying 20 a week when I could be earning 500

 

[Easy 10]

The next PM ?

Unlikely, I feel.

 

[clapham_gull]

Oh my, Do you honestly believe that? This whole thing the thousands of people going out was just to settle a score from decades ago

To an extent I do to be honest. I have as little time for Union Leaders on massive salaries (and huge pensions) as I do the Eton educated idiots who have absolutely no conception how the majority of people in this country live.

.. and I am a member of a Union.

On the subject of the pensions. It's a difficult one for me - I can see both sides of the argument. I don't work in the public sector and astonished as I grew older to learn how much pension you were entitled to when you retired. Probably because I grew up in a family my dad worked VERY long hours running in own business, 7 days a week.

 

[User removed 4]

Not only that, but idiots are calling a £6k a year pension "guilt edged".

Hell, £6k a year doesn't even pay the rent on a bedsit in Brighton.

were you a teacher ? if you are/were , no wonder we're in so much shit. it's gilt edged you ****.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I've seen a few teachers give this argument, and I don't understand it. If you wanted to be a teacher then fair enough, but you can't then use the fact that you could get a higher paid job to improve your terms as a teacher.

That's not what he's saying. He's not asking for better terms, he saying the term's offered were attractive to him, which is why he took the job, and now the government is reneging on his contract. The argument makes perfect sense.