Muslims need to chill the f*** out

[coventrygull]

Do they agree with the BNP too like your Sikh mate?

OK, more evasiveness from you about Nick Griffin, what do you think about his "opinions" about Muslims then? For someone who posts a lot on this topic it is remarkably difficult to get a straight answer from you about why you seem so sympathetic to his "opinions" on Muslims and why you were so overjoyed that the fascist scumbag got off the other day.

And by the way, the last person to call me "red scum" was a crowd of BNP members at a demo

By the way I didn't call you red scum. I called you a red fascist mate.

I was pleased that Griffin got off the other day because of my support for free speech. As far as I am concerned if you want to stop the BNP then you need to argue against their policies and not get into some pathetic name calling.

As I have stated I do not like the Moslem religion. I find it oppressive, sexist and homophobic.

 

[Yorkie]

Where do you live LI ?

He lives near Withdean in Brighton.

 

[hitony]

Thanks Yorkie,

i thought he had to live in that VERY well known "multi racialist" area of brighton, to be able to comment on it !!!

 

[Sorrel]

Nice to see some carefully considered words of moderation from the muslims of London:

 

[goldstone]

So why all this fuss about the Moslems exerting their own freedom of expression in their own way? Oh yeah, that's right, you don't like what they are saying. . .



You ever heard of respect? No, I thought not. Can we all come around and laugh at you and your family then? See if you can take a little fun-poking?

No wonder there is so much friction in this world when we have stupid comments like yours.

I have absolutely no problem with you coming round to laugh at my family providing I have the right to do the same to yours. Simple really.

Plus I have no problem with moslems exerting their own freedom of expression providing I have the right to do the same and providing their "freedom of expression" doesn't involve killing or harming people they don't agree with.

 

[dougdeep]

She looks cute.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

Nice to see some carefully considered words of moderation from the muslims of London:

these people do nothing to promote Islam, they promote hatred and feed the very hatred they are supposedly trying to condemn.

Send the fukkers to Iraq

 

[perseus]

She looks cute.

Looks like a hoodie to me. Should be on an ASBO.

 

[London Calling]

these people do nothing to promote Islam, they promote hatred and feed the very hatred they are supposedly trying to condemn.

Send the fukkers to Iraq

But that is missing the point.

To have a thriving democracy, it will always have opionons, actions that are perceived as extremes.

A good democracy will absorb the above demostration and the (shock) posters and indicate to its citizens and to the world that we are tolerant.

Less than 300 turned up yesterday. In Hackney (my area) and Tower Hamlets there are at a minimum 200,000 muslims, let alone the rest of London and the UK>

That puts the demostration into perspective and should tell you all, the demostration was just the usual rent a crowd.

The fact that in the UK we did not display the pictures has probably strengthened our nation, whilst France, that so called Beacon of multiculturism, as highlighted by our press and Conservatives only a year ago. Has declined yet further.

LC

 

[H block]

But that is missing the point.



Less than 300 turned up yesterday. In Hackney (my area) and Tower Hamlets there are at a minimum 200,000 muslims, let alone the rest of London and the UK>

That puts the demostration into perspective and should tell you all, the demostration was just the usual rent a crowd.

The fact that in the UK we did not display the pictures has probably strengthened our nation, whilst France, that so called Beacon of multiculturism, as highlighted by our press and Conservatives only a year ago. Has declined yet further.

LC

To have a thriving democracy, it will always have opionons, actions that are perceived as extremes.

A good democracy will absorb the above demostration and the (shock) posters and indicate to its citizens and to the world that we are tolerant.


I happen to agree with your statements above and I do not think that a few hundred Muslims telling us we should have learnt from 7/11 and that we should be murdered for our behaviour towards Islam should be hounded or persecuted in any way............... but the point is those people are quite typical of muslims in other countries and the word democrazy is not in their vocabulary.This is not about whether you can criticize or satirise their faith in any way (because you cannot) in their country but whether you can even make political or religious points from the ``safe haven`` of your own democratic community.

You see ..................... we have people in this country demonstrating against our biased and inflamatory behavior towards a religious persusion and they will do so freely and safely because we will defend there right to do sf course though if we dare critize their faith we are met with the usual tirade of blah blah................................................. well you don`t need me to repeat all that.

Muslim countries are mostly undemocratic in their structure and in their rule and this is exactly the same as their religion.
For the record I consider anyone willing to attack another because of their religion evil and dangerous and I`m glad that these Isles have moved on but I`m afraid there are still many Muslims who are still living in the middle ages.

 

[London Irish]

I was pleased that Griffin got off the other day because of my support for free speech.

More utter weasel words from you. You said fascist scumbag Nick Griffin spoke "facts" about the Muslim religion, and when challenged about what exactly you meant by that, you once again changed your story. It's typically evasive behaviour of the mealy-mouthed Muslim hater always with a word of sympathy about how "misunderstood" these fascist scumbags are.

 

[London Irish]

Muslim countries are mostly undemocratic in their structure and in their rule and this is exactly the same as their religion.

What? Most of these sheik dictatorships are propped up by the west against the wishes of their own people! Who the hell fought a war to put the Kuwaiti dictators, one extended family, back in power? Western economic and military power dominates the Middle East, how you can ignore that obvious truth I'll never know. I won't use the same method as you though and blame "undemocratic" Christianity for that

 

[London Irish]

Nice to see some carefully considered words of moderation from the muslims of London:

And in blaming all London muslims for a few fanatics, you really are showing exemplary "moderation" yourself, aren't you?

 

[London Irish]

Thanks Yorkie,

i thought he had to live in that VERY well known "multi racialist" area of brighton, to be able to comment on it !!!

I have spent the majority of my life in just about the most multi-racial part of Britain, Brent, in north-west London. So I can comment plenty of what works well.

People who have never lived in multi-racial areas I admit are at more of a disavantage in knowing the truth about such communities. And god help you if you rely on our shitty tabloid press for information about our immigrant communities.

 

[H block]

What? Most of these sheik dictatorships are propped up by the west against the wishes of their own people! Who the hell fought a war to put the Kuwaiti dictators, one extended family, back in power? Western economic and military power dominates the Middle East, how you can ignore that obvious truth I'll never know. I won't use the same method as you though and blame "undemocratic" Christianity for that

You are linking religion with democrazy not me

 

[H block]

democracy............. freudian slip there

 

[H block]

What? Most of these sheik dictatorships are propped up by the west against the wishes of their own people! Who the hell fought a war to put the Kuwaiti dictators, one extended family, back in power? Western economic and military power dominates the Middle East, how you can ignore that obvious truth I'll never know. I won't use the same method as you though and blame "undemocratic" Christianity for that

You really are cleverer than I thought.So from my post you can in your above statements know that I am pro western government concerning there involvment in Arabic politics and the like.Christianity has little if no influence in real western politics but the same can not be said of the hypocratical teachings of muslim states.you are not arguing with a right wing zealot when you reply to me but someone who wonders how you second guess everyones opinions on here.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Personally, I'm all for freedom of speech, and I think that they have a right to complain, but I am a little bit titsed off with it all now. Why do we allow them to protest in this country, with banners which are themselves hate-filled messages, whilst police look on? It's not as though the UK press have printed these very old, very out of date cartoons.

I think that it is probably time to tell them that we have had enough - we have let them protest, they have made their point, but they have to be aware that if they carry on, then they will do nothing but fuel opposition. We cannot live in fear of their threats of mujahideen vengeance - much as I would rather not be saying this, I think that they are going to bring a lot of problems down on their own heads.

 

[DJ Leon]

No, it's a satire of Christianity produced by those brought up from within a Christian culture. Not an attack on Christianity produced by a Muslim culture.

If a film like the Life of Brian was leading idiots to hate and attack Christians, we would have a problem. But that isn't the reality of what is happening. Indeed, we already have testimony from NSC's very own reverend that many Christians find the film amusing. This is no doubt entirely due to the fact that the film does not have as its intention whipping up hatred against Christians or defaming them as vicious terrorists.

Muslims, an embattled minority under fierce attack in many western countries, are not in that happy situation, alas.

It's a poor parallel, DJ Leon, I really hope you can see that.

I agree in parts LI.

I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate here, because I don't think that this case is entirely black and white. In my opinion the cartoon in question does not clearly suggest (as you say) that all Muslims are terrorists, but instead says that there is a link between Islam and terrorism. Islam does have a problem with terrorists (is that OK to say?) because some of the major atrocities
of recent years were committed in Allah's name. For the sake of balance lets put on record that a lot of George Dubya's actions have also been done in the name of God, as were any number of violent and atrocius acts committed around the world and throughout history. I'm an atheist, so I'm talking about all religions, not just Islam.

The fact that this cartoon originates from countries where Muslim's are a minority is not the issue for me. The issue is about whether we're allowed to print it and whether we should bow to pressure to tell us not to print things like this. I think it was inadvisable to print it in the first place and there's no doubt that it is going to be offensive to Muslims, but then again everything is offensive to someone. Where do you draw the line?

If a middle eastern paper mocks Christianity and suggests that bombing Iraq shows that the God Christian's pray to doesn't exist, I will defend their right to say it. That would offend people, but hey, so what?

I think that the majority of Muslim anger is not based on the terrorist slur, but instead about the characterisation of Mohammed. Is that fair to say? If it is, does that not change the complexion of the debate? Should we be able to characterise Mohammed in any way at all?

Interesting, but worrying, times, eh?

 

[DJ Leon]

Oh dear. Things are going to get worse, aren't they?