"massive" unexplodeed car bomb in central london....

[DJ Leon]

Sorry - not clear enough. Should have said that his rationale was not totally "anti-gay" - he was anti all sorts. DTG had implied that he was solely anti-gay, I was just expanding on his manifesto.

Oh right, I see what you're saying.

 

[north stand falmer]

Sorry - are you actually claiming Copeland wasn't anti-gay?

what? you should re-read the posts then you'll get your answer.

 

[Buzzer]

And I think you'll find that Mr Copeland was not "anti-gay" - the Admiral Duncan was his third bomb after Brixton and Brick Lane - he was a rogue, mentally disturbed right winger with an inferiority complex - even the NF/BNP tried to disown him!

didn't just try to. They did. He was very very loosely affiliated to the British National Socialist Party and regarded the NF/BNP as too wishy washy. Nasty little murdering shit. Just like these terrorists today.

 

[DJ Leon]

what? you should re-read the posts then you'll get your answer.

Have done. DTG doesn't say Copeland was solely 'anti-gay'. he just describes him as 'anti-gay' - which of course he was. So your argument is correct, but I was confused by the fact that your pointed interjection was so, well, pointless.

 

[north stand falmer]

Have done. DTG doesn't say Copeland was solely 'anti-gay'. he just describes him as 'anti-gay' - which of course he was. So your argument is correct, but I was confused by the fact that your pointed interjection was so, well, pointless.

ok, so basically he was anti society. Cleared that issue up, Cheers

 

[Buzzer]

Roads were also closed right by Australia House at the bottom of Holborn/ Strand tonight on my way home.

Wonder f that's related to this too. Starting to get a little too near to home....

 

[chip]

Just because I teach it doesn't mean that the truth gets buried! Having pretty extensive first hand experience is useful in that it doubles up as an "original source". Granted, not so much in primary schools, but Year 6 still like the occasional war story and passing the medals around! As long as the information that they get is balanced properly, the requirements of the National Curriculum are met. And not all teachers are woolly-thinking lefties!

It's PSHE (Personal, Social and Health Education) - and I don't really see a problem in teaching children to respect each other and try to understand other cultures and religions. It's not their fault if the adults are too effing stupid to live together!

I don't think Year 2 are going to "get" this though - they don't really give a toss about race or religion, they are more concerned about what everyone else has got in their lunchboxes!

Sorry, that obviously came out the wrong way. I think you will make an excellent teacher because you say it how it is and you don't shirk from exposing the stupidity on all sides of a situation. My wife was a primary teacher and some of the example cases for PSHE were absurd or irrellavent to the sort of classes she was teaching. On face value, some of the curriculum was little more than propoganda. It takes a good teacher to make something worthwhile out of that and your experience will obviously be a great benefit in doing so.

 

[clapham_gull]

Probably a bit strange to understand if you live outside London, but this hardly even touched me today.

I went and looked at the sight this morning, it's on my walk to work since I started to walk. Few cameraman round at 9 o'clock this morning.

Went to work and came home this evening without even a slight disruption to my journey.

Probably something to do with living through the possibility of IRA bombings, but it was hardly mentioned at work today.

It's only this evening that I've got home and am watching the news and it gives the impression that the centre of London is under seige.

I work right in the centre of London, Tottenham Court Road, next week in Oxford Street and to be honest it was just another day.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Sorry, that obviously came out the wrong way. I think you will make an excellent teacher because you say it how it is and you don't shirk from exposing the stupidity on all sides of a situation. My wife was a primary teacher and some of the example cases for PSHE were absurd or irrellavent to the sort of classes she was teaching. On face value, some of the curriculum was little more than propoganda. It takes a good teacher to make something worthwhile out of that and your experience will obviously be a great benefit in doing so.

You should see the RE (Here I Am) guidelines. "Your friends are going out and are causing problems in the neighbourhood, you don't want to do this anymore. How are you going to persuade them to stop, and what is likely to happen to you?"

We try and teach social responsibilty, but when Mum turns tricks all night and then passes out pissed on the sofa all day, it's a little difficult. And yes, Social Services are aware but are "monitoring"....

How do you deal with a 10 year old that says it feels like he has been "dry bummed" when he sits down, or a child that wants to know what a "rainbow kiss" is?

Yet (apart from the recent problem with a racist incident), they generally get on with each other, they have falling outs, but get over them in minutes. Where do we lose the skill of tolerance as we grow up?

 

[chip]

You should see the RE (Here I Am) guidelines. "Your friends are going out and are causing problems in the neighbourhood, you don't want to do this anymore. How are you going to persuade them to stop, and what is likely to happen to you?"

We try and teach social responsibilty, but when Mum turns tricks all night and then passes out pissed on the sofa all day, it's a little difficult. And yes, Social Services are aware but are "monitoring"....

How do you deal with a 10 year old that says it feels like he has been "dry bummed" when he sits down, or a child that wants to know what a "rainbow kiss" is?

Yet (apart from the recent problem with a racist incident), they generally get on with each other, they have falling outs, but get over them in minutes. Where do we lose the skill of tolerance as we grow up?

We've been throught that one! My wife used to teach in an ex-pit village, Brampton near Rotherham. More than one child had a sister who was their mother and various other social problems like yours' existed. She taught at Bosham for a while and is now part-time at a private school, it has proved to be quite a contrast. Any sight of your NQT post yet?

 

[Publius Ovidius]

Don't get too precious about that DTG - some people don't need to live or work in London to have more experience with this sort of crap. Do you know the background of all the posters on here? There are people on here who have lived with it daily - and I mean daily, not just on a "once or twice a year" basis. Yes, it's frightening, but you have to get on with life, and you have to realise that the police cannot do it all by themselves - the best information comes from the public, and the public need to take up the responsibility. In today's cases (there are two IEDs), the public played a very strong part, and that needs to continue.

London, at the moment, is not a hotbed of terrorist activity, and hopefully it will stay that way - anti-terrorist branches are like ducks - quiet on the surface, but you have no idea how hard their legs are kicking under the water! And not everyone needs to live or work in London to play a part in this!

i wasnt getting precious at all...you all have your own reasons for posting on here and some peopl have their own agendas also....I was just making the point that was all.

I appreciate you were in the forces and probably have seen a lot worse things and perhaps, to you and others it may seem pretty trivial. I would not deem to even assume I know what you have been through, or would try to guess.

On a personal note, I was directly involved in the aftermath of the 7/7 by having employees of a compnay who had the bus explode outside their offices. they came into our offices to "carry" on with work and being so close to very traumatised people make one look at these sort of things perhaps with a bit more humility that the " its all MUSLIM bastards hang em high brigade" that was all.

As for my good friend and really good bloke DJ Leon, yes its a football site...

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

i wasnt getting precious at all...you all have your own reasons for posting on here and some peopl have their own agendas also....I was just making the point that was all.

I appreciate you were in the forces and probably have seen a lot worse things and perhaps, to you and others it may seem pretty trivial. I would not deem to even assume I know what you have been through, or would try to guess.

On a personal note, I was directly involved in the aftermath of the 7/7 by having employees of a compnay who had the bus explode outside their offices. they came into our offices to "carry" on with work and being so close to very traumatised people make one look at these sort of things perhaps with a bit more humility that the " its all MUSLIM bastards hang em high brigade" that was all.

As for my good friend and really good bloke DJ Leon, yes its a football site...

Sorry. It's a Pavlovian reaction honed to perfection for when we get told by Americans that they are the experts in anti-terrorism since 9/11. If they hadn't been passing round the hat in Oirish pubs in New Yoik, we could take them a whole lot more seriously.

 

[beorhthelm]

f*** me there some pricks on here. bomb threat? let have a knock at the muslims, must be them. those irish and that nail bomber fella, they were just mucking about, didnt mean anything really. twats. ive read a half dozen stories about this (these?) car bombs. none of them match. i forgot all about this on after 10am, my missus works in kensington didnt hear about it until reading london lite on train home. nobody knows who or why, so why dont you take your prejudice shit somewhere else? fact is if i was pissed enough, i could have done this. it could have been the anti-falmer lot doing a dry run for the 9th. security services dont know what the fucks going on , why should you have all the answers?

 

[adrian29uk]

f*** me there some pricks on here. bomb threat? let have a knock at the muslims, must be them. those irish and that nail bomber fella, they were just mucking about, didnt mean anything really. twats. ive read a half dozen stories about this (these?) car bombs. none of them match. i forgot all about this on after 10am, my missus works in kensington didnt hear about it until reading london lite on train home. nobody knows who or why, so why dont you take your prejudice shit somewhere else? fact is if i was pissed enough, i could have done this. it could have been the anti-falmer lot doing a dry run for the 9th. security services dont know what the fucks going on , why should you have all the answers?

You can understand why people point fingers at certain religions. According to the police, this has all the hallmarks of a terrorist plot that has failed.

I will be interested to find out?
And let me stress in this is not a racist comment I have just made.

At the end of the day we need to thank god that they did not go off. Whoever done this lets hope they get:-

1) Locked up for life if they are from this country
2) Or deported the f*** out of here.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

We've been throught that one! My wife used to teach in an ex-pit village, Brampton near Rotherham. More than one child had a sister who was their mother and various other social problems like yours' existed. She taught at Bosham for a while and is now part-time at a private school, it has proved to be quite a contrast. Any sight of your NQT post yet?

Had a couple of enquiries, but I am on the only SCITT that finishes in December - out of synch with the rest of the country! Looked at a Year 1, but to be honest I am more interested in the upper end of KS2 at the moment. Playing to strengths and all that... About to place in a Year 2 class, so that should be amusing!

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Being realistic, the chances are very high that it was some kind of Islamist organisation, as that's the nature of the threat we face at the moment.

But what the hell good does it do with the likes of LBF ranting on here about how it's the Muslims, it's always the Muslims, damning them all to hell? What's your solution to the problem then, genius? If it's that simple- "it's the Muslims"- then I assume you have a creative answer to deal with the issue?

Lock all Muslims up, perchance? Stop & search every one of them as they go about their daily business? Deport them to a more suitable nation perhaps? wherever you think that might be?

There are just as likely to be Muslim VICTIMS of these people, it certainly wasn't just white Christians who died on 9/11, or 7/7. Yes, there clearly is a faction intent on causing death & destruction, but I can't see what demonising an entire religious belief is going to do to stop them.

And good grief, I never thought I'd hear the day when the IRA were thought of as fluffy, idealistic, good ole boys who never meant nobody any 'arm. I've heard of nostalgia but that's incredible, why don't you take a walk around Warrington, Manchester, Enniskillen or Belfast, perhaps even chat to some of the Grand Hotel's retired employees, and see if they regard the IRA as cheeky mischeivous chappies.

 

[Goodfella]

I think you would find that most Muslims would also deplore what has happened.

 

[cjd]

I think you would find that most Muslims would also deplore what has happened.

ummmmmmm.....not entirely convinced that is true.
Interesting point............many years ago when football hooliganism was being exported to the European football games by a minority of english football supporters, the European football body decided to punish ALL football supporters by excluding us from european club games for a number of years.We were the "scum" of society.
What happened after that....?
Did all football supporters become football hooligans...?
No.......at last, the various footbal authorities and the law decided to take strong action and with the MAJORITY of football supporters no longer looking up to the hooligans, helped solve the problem by reporting hooligans and making them social outcasts. It became very socially UNACCEPTABLE to be a football hooligan.
The problem of course can never be eradicated 100%, but the numbers are considerably less than they were.
Do people think the Muslims themselves should do more to solve the problem of Islamic extremists.......?

 

[Beach Hut]

Do people think the Muslims themselves should do more to solve the problem of Islamic extremists.......?

They should but sadly I am not convinced they will as they feel alienated from society in the UK.

 

[Goodfella]

They should but sadly I am not convinced they will as they feel alienated from society in the UK.

Good point Mr Hut.