That doesn't make you a racist. It's the behaviour of the types that El Pres mentioned that makes it have connotations of racism. There is nothing wrong with national pride but there is everything wrong with negative integration, where people who feel inadequate get false pride by belonging to an abstract collective by actively keeping out certain members of society and discriminating against them.
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That doesn't make you a racist. It's the behaviour of the types that El Pres mentioned that makes it have connotations of racism. There is nothing wrong with national pride but there is everything wrong with negative integration, where people who feel inadequate get false pride by belonging to an abstract collective by actively keeping out certain members of society and discriminating against them.
The Large One
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Possibly to a lot of people who don't take pride in being English in the first place.
However, like the 'football hooligan' tag that, still used by ignorant people, we are still trying to break out of the shackles of, national pride on this island will, rightly or wrongly, to a lesser or greater degree, be associated with racism, xenophobia and extremism.
There oughtn't be a reason for it, but when some people see a 'cause', they can't help hijacking it for their own agenda.
I am on the committee of the Brighton & Hove St George's Day Charity, and we have an afternoon of roast beef, Yorkshire pudding roast potato, a couple of guest speakers and some singing and flag-waving. Granted there are a few airheads in there, but largely, people are basically there for the flag.
However, and let's make no bones about it, this march - completely unnecessary as it was - was always going to be political, and I cannot associate myself with the the kind of patriotism I am interested in with the 'patriotism' some of the people Nibble says he saw on this march.
turienzo's lovechild
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yep, thats sadly true, its also a great shame that the far-right seemed to have claimed the cross as their symbol, which unfortunately is what a lot of people associate it with
nothing wrong with being patriotic at all
strange my mate went with a few others and when i told him,he said he never saw any of that
strange my mate went with a few others and when i told him,he said he never saw any of that
And you're called empire because.......?
[Just asking btw]
Brian Fantana
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A few points from my perspective:
1. There is nothing wrong with being proud to come from England.
2. There IS something wrong to harness that pride and turn against those who are perceived to be foreigners.
3. There has been large scale immigration into this country for at least 50 years now. Many people believed to be "foreigners" have been born in this country and have every right to be equally proud of being English.
4. It seems strange that the far right are using the flag of a patron saint who was Turkish, probably never visited England and also represents a large number of other countries around the world.
1. There is nothing wrong with being proud to come from England.
2. There IS something wrong to harness that pride and turn against those who are perceived to be foreigners.
3. There has been large scale immigration into this country for at least 50 years now. Many people believed to be "foreigners" have been born in this country and have every right to be equally proud of being English.
4. It seems strange that the far right are using the flag of a patron saint who was Turkish, probably never visited England and also represents a large number of other countries around the world.
its where i drink,your point?,mine is i spoke to a mate and he went,he said he saw none of that ,he was their from 11 till 1.30
chez
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Sounds like your mate saw the same march as I did then Empire. Not a nazi in sight.
Oh well, people will have to look for another story wont they.
beardy gull
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chez
Johnny Byrne-The Greatest
That's cleared that up then.
Certainly does.
Pretty pink fairy
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Hi folks sad to hear about the small minority making nazis gestures as for the real hans kray ......free speech and respect to the ghurkas
Nibble
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I'm not sure how to put pics or vids from my phone on here. I will ask Les when he gets in. I have video of them singing their chants etc. How anyone can say they didn't see this behaviour I don't know.
The Argus was there so there may well be pics on their site.
Every single person that saw them marching that I talked to said their behaviour was disgusting.
The Argus was there so there may well be pics on their site.
Every single person that saw them marching that I talked to said their behaviour was disgusting.
Nibble
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The fact that when being questioned by the police they said "We just wanted to make sure you weren't with an opposing FACTION" means the police likely treat them as a faction which is kind of all you really need to know, that and the big ginger bloke Sig Heiling an asian photographer about half way down Queens road, followed by his equally racist mates next to him.
Dwayne was there?
Pretty pink fairy
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ah ,ask les i see
Pretty pink fairy
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seems you're pc man les, can you fix it so we can see these images??
I'm no PC man but I will give it a go. If not I reckon one of our tech guys will be able to do it.
Still not sure what was funny. Right wingers/borderline fascist have such rubbish senses of humour.
Pretty pink fairy
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seems like you have some cult like status on this site
