Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[darkwolf666]

I know someone who tutors at sussex university, they don’t come into contact with their students. Same as school teachers, they keep contact to an absolute minimum. Teachers generally have a true passion for teaching and so I doubt very much they see it as a life and death choice, I think that’s a far too over dramatic way of looking at it.

Either way, schools and universities should remain open in ALL circumstances, it’s beyond damaging to children not having school, this crisis is damaging enough of their futures as it is.

Once again one of my posts is deliberately misread, so it seems.

My comparison was between health professionals, who understand there is a risk of infection in line with their work and "senior" teachers who probably never considered health issues when they took up their roles.

I understand social distancing is carried out as best it can be, but it must be a worry for any teacher who may have their own health issues, but no just carry on regardless in your eyes, the needs of the pupil are greatest...

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1314573157827858434?s=21

He seems to be suggesting lockdowns are not the way forward

 

[Driver8]

Looks like the rate in Brighton is ticking up.

My area in Wales was under 50 last week, now 150 and in Lockdown.

 

[Poojah]

https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1314573157827858434?s=21

He seems to be suggesting lockdowns are not the way forward

Whilst it’s hard to disagree with what he says, what he doesn’t say is what the alternative to lockdown is. Personally, I think we got some fundamental things wrong when we came out of hibernation - pubs should have had a strict, limited capacity with table service only from day one and students should have reverted to online learning from home and compensated accordingly for the dilution of their education.

The trouble is, we didn’t and we are where we are now. After almost a year of this pandemic I still don’t believe we have the systems in place to protect the most vulnerable so how are we supposed to manoeuvre out of this latest spate of uncontrolled transmission without some form of lockdown?

 

[Weststander]

I know someone who tutors at sussex university, they don’t come into contact with their students. Same as school teachers, they keep contact to an absolute minimum. Teachers generally have a true passion for teaching and so I doubt very much they see it as a life and death choice, I think that’s a far too over dramatic way of looking at it.

Either way, schools and universities should remain open in ALL circumstances, it’s beyond damaging to children not having school, this crisis is damaging enough of their futures as it is.

You’re correct about schools imho.

The damage to the kids mental wellbeing from not socialising with peers, getting out in the world, havIng structure to their academic days, is too heavier a price to pay.

In my experience schools Lockdown wasn’t good, even for our ‘home-bird’ offspring who had previously often desired to have been home tutored. Normally gregarious kids found depression. We’re social creatures.

 

[RossyG]

Assuming this WHO envoy really is speaking for the organisation, then this is very interesting.

https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1314573157827858434?s=21

 

[darkwolf666]

Assuming this WHO envoy really is speaking for the organisation, then this is very interesting.

https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1314573157827858434?s=21

No big news here, as this appears to be the stance of most developed countries at the moment.

It really is a game of cat and mouse trying to keep up with who represents the WHO's opinion on strategies. Only two weeks ago the WHO were praising the UK government for their measures, in particular local lockdowns as a means of controlling the virus!

I don't think anybody wants, or for that matter forsees a total lockdown like we had in March, if that ever becomes reality then we are in the shit...

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

How are such a large percentage of people still catching this in hospitals and care homes?

Is this hancocks protective shield again?

 

[middletoenail]

Probably because the UK infection numbers are out of control, simple as that. The only way you can prevent it would be if the careers lived in-house with the residents.

 

[Poojah]

Chatting to my neighbour outside our house this morning. Chatting for about 5 minutes, usual small talk - how’s work, good to have the kids back at school etc. Then he casually drops this into the conversation:

“While I’ve got you, I should probably let you know that I’ve just tested positive for Covid, *cough*, *cough*, *splutter*, *cough*”.

Yeah, I thought you might have mentioned that a little earlier in the conversation, thanks mate. F*ck’s sake.

They say it’s hard to pick it up outside. I guess I’ll soon find out.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Feel so gutted for the hospitality workers. Doing their absolute utmost, but to no avail, on account of those 24 Hour Party People ****s

 

[middletoenail]

Feel so gutted for the hospitality workers. Doing their absolute utmost, but to no avail, on account of those 24 Hour Party People ****s

Right, and to compound things I can't see many tourists wanting to visit the UK anytime soon, which is a big issue giving that inbound tourism accounts for over 10% of GDP.

Chicken and egg scenario really, we talk about trying to get the economy going and opening things up, but you can't do it when you've got a rampant virus doing the rounds.

 

[The Wizard]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hospital-admissions-England-rise-50-WEEK.html

Some of these people in government are truly despicable, Van Tam yesterday saying we are where we were when we went into lockdown - a man who is held in very high scientific esteem by many is deliberately misleading people.

Now, what he says is actually correct in terms on the pure base number but he’s deliberately twisting the figures to scare people, to even say we are anywhere near that level is quite honestly pure and deliberate scare mongering. Back then the number of hospitalised patients was doubling every 3 days, now it’s 14 days.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

So the 2 week circuit breaker is actually a 4 week review situation lol

 

[Machiavelli]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hospital-admissions-England-rise-50-WEEK.html

Some of these people in government are truly despicable, Van Tam yesterday saying we are where we were when we went into lockdown - a man who is held in very high scientific esteem by many is deliberately misleading people.

Now, what he says is actually correct in terms on the pure base number but he’s deliberately twisting the figures to scare people, to even say we are anywhere near that level is quite honestly pure and deliberate scare mongering. Back then the number of hospitalised patients was doubling every 3 days, now it’s 14 days.

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The figures you've attached show that we are indeed where we were when we went into lockdown. So, I'm lost as to how you've come to the conclusion that you have.

 

[e77]

The figures you've attached show that we are indeed where we were when we went into lockdown. So, I'm lost as to how you've come to the conclusion that you have.

The circle of these things goes:

One of the usual suspects produces a headline with no context or some unscrutinised figures to support his we should all be out licking door handles as it's sad worldview.

You, me or whoever is next passing NSC who is capable of a cursory degree of scrutiny largely debunk it

KB says no more

Repeat ad-infinitum

 

[The Wizard]

The figures you've attached show that we are indeed where we were when we went into lockdown. So, I'm lost as to how you've come to the conclusion that you have.

It’s a nonsense comparison a qualified scientist should not be making, it’s clear and blatant twisting of figures in order to scare the public. It’s like saying we have double the number of cases now as we did at the peak, whilst this is true, there’s no context to what is being said and it’s clearly just being used to scare people.

Look at the rate of increase, comparing where we were the day we went into lockdown, packed offices, nobody wearing masks, busy public transport, nightclubs, no masks etc to now is a comparison a qualified scientist should not make, we are not anywhere near where we were then. The rate of increase is what matters in a pandemic and whether our health care system can cope and you can clearly see by the numbers I posted, it’s nearly 5x as slow as the original wave.

 

[e77]

It’s a nonsense comparison a qualified scientist should not be making, it’s clear and blatant twisting of figures in order to scare the public. It’s like saying we have double the number of cases now as we did at the peak, whilst this is true, there’s no context to what is being said and it’s clearly just being used to scare people.

Look at the rate of increase, comparing where we were the day we went into lockdown, packed offices, nobody wearing masks, busy public transport, nightclubs, no masks etc to now is a comparison a qualified scientist should not make, we are not anywhere near where we were then. The rate of increase is what matters in a pandemic and whether our health care system can cope and you can clearly see by the numbers I posted, it’s nearly 5x as slow as the original wave.

Isn't the fact we have a similar number of cases WITH restrictions in place even more worrying?

 

[darkwolf666]

Isn't the fact we have a similar number of cases WITH restrictions in place even more worrying?

Not to [MENTION=14080]The Wizard[/MENTION] no, he has made his mind up and that's all there is to it...

 

[Albion Dan]

Isn't the fact we have a similar number of cases WITH restrictions in place even more worrying?

Isn't the fact we have a similar number of cases WITH restrictions in place even more worrying?

Cases? You couldn’t even get tests in March or April unless you were hospital bound (I know because I had it) so how can you or anyone even get close to comparison? Looks like you’ve been debunked for fake news [emoji23]