Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Stumpy Tim]

I know someone who is laid up in bed, high fever and coughing badly. He hasn´t even been tested yet, and he can´t be alone.

Thankfully I haven´t seen him for several weeks

 

[dingodan]

Erm, it's both.

There is absolutely no way we are wasting testing kits on people with very mild symptoms. They may well not even be presenting to the authorities. It's also possible, as with any other virus, to be a carrier without getting sick.

Well, given that someone with mild symptoms can carry and transmit the virus to someone else who may themselves not have mild symptoms but instead become critical, I would imagine that testing people with mild symptoms isn't a wasted test is it.

 

[The Clamp]

No, you misunderstand. They are not undetected because they are mild, although some will be ultimately.

They are undetected because onset was in the last 24 hours. Incubation period averages 5 days and can be up to 14. They are undetected because they won't be symptomatic for some time yet.

It will be both.

 

[Rodney Thomas]

Erm, it's both.

There is absolutely no way we are wasting testing kits on people with very mild symptoms. They may well not even be presenting to the authorities. It's also possible, as with any other virus, to be a carrier without getting sick.

But that is not what the graph was showing, or what The Clamp was challenging.

 

[Swansman]

It's also possible, as with any other virus, to be a carrier without getting sick.

This is as I see it one of the worst things about the virus. Yes obviously its fantastic that kids and young people dont generally die from this, but the "no symptoms at all" thing is likely to lead to a lot of shoulder shrugging "its just a flu"-families to kill off their parents or grandparents.

 

[Bozza]

It’s not but because some people are not panicking it means we don’t care. Typical way that NSC threads end up these days.
Enough to make anyone self isolate

I’ve never seen so many graphs all saying the same thing; people are catching the virus.

You are trolling and I'll stop it if you don't.

Look, read the below...

No one I know is panicking. No one on here is demonstrably panicking that I can see.

No one is disputing that most people who get this will be OK.

However, the potential numbers at play here are frightening which is where most of the concern stems from...

- Due to expected exponential growth of the virus a lot of people will be sick requiring specialist help at the same time. This could happen in the very near future.
- The NHS could become overwhelmed very quickly due to lack of resources, both equipment and care professionals (it is estimated up to 25% of NHS staff could be off sick themselves at times. Some, of course, will also die and never return to work)
- People who would otherwise be nursed to recovery may well die.
- Those who have other ongoing serious conditions may well die as the NHS is unable to continue the treatment they require.
- Those who need ad hoc specialist care - those involved in road accidents, mother's who have complications giving birth - may die as they can't be cared for properly.

Kids may largely get off lightly with this, but once you multiply this up over 30, 40, 60 or even 80% of the population, many will die. Maybe they just get unlucky with the virus, maybe they had previously unknown health complications.

The above applies to other age groups - all low risk, but no one is "no risk".

The odds may be on my side and on my family's side, but I can't be a blasé prick about the potential implications of this on others, probable in the eyes of many who know far more than you and I about this.

 

[dingodan]

It will be both.

Nobody infected in the last 24 hours is being missed because of "mild symptoms".

They are being missed because of no symptoms. Because there is a lag between onset and being symptomatic.

 

[The Clamp]

But that is not what the graph was showing, or what The Clamp was challenging.

It’s okay, I get it. Happy to take on board new insight such as graphs and test stats.

I’m not sure how much difference it will ultimately make. This virus is going to sweep through the nation, killing some, making some feel very unwell, and having very little effect on the health of the vast majority of people.

New info is great and will help in future outbreaks but not much use for this one. Damage is done now I reckon.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

People horrified it’s going up? What did you expect?

Quite weird how particular posters seem to be completely transfixed by the numbers and percentages, slicing and dicing them every which way to 'prove' whatever they want to prove

 

[The Clamp]

You are trolling and I'll stop it if you don't.

Look, read the below...

No one I know is panicking. No one on here is demonstrably panicking that I can see.

No one is disputing that most people who get this will be OK.

However, the potential numbers at play here are frightening which is where most of the concern stems from...

- Due to expected exponential growth of the virus a lot of people will be sick requiring specialist help at the same time. This could happen in the very near future.
- The NHS could become overwhelmed very quickly due to lack of resources, both equipment and care professionals (it is estimated up to 25% of NHS staff could be off sick themselves at times. Some, of course, will also die and never return to work)
- People who would otherwise be nursed to recovery may well die.
- Those who have other ongoing serious conditions may well die as the NHS is unable to continue the treatment they require.
- Those who need ad hoc specialist care - those involved in road accidents, mother's who have complications giving birth - may die as they can't be cared for properly.

Kids may largely get off lightly with this, but once you multiply this up over 30, 40, 60 or even 80% of the population, many will die. Maybe they just get unlucky with the virus, maybe they had previously unknown health complications.

The above applies to other age groups - all low risk, but no one is "no risk".

The odds may be on my side and on my family's side, but I can't be a blasé prick about the potential implications of this on others, probable in the eyes of many who know far more than you and I about this.

I’m not trolling, I really can’t see that I’m saying anything that outrageous? But I get that you are going to issue a ban if I continue to post what I think so I’ll respectfully duck out of the thread.

Peace

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

You are trolling and I'll stop it if you don't.

Look, read the below...

No one I know is panicking. No one on here is demonstrably panicking that I can see.

No one is disputing that most people who get this will be OK.

However, the potential numbers at play here are frightening which is where most of the concern stems from...

- Due to expected exponential growth of the virus a lot of people will be sick requiring specialist help at the same time. This could happen in the very near future.
- The NHS could become overwhelmed very quickly due to lack of resources, both equipment and care professionals (it is estimated up to 25% of NHS staff could be off sick themselves at times. Some, of course, will also die and never return to work)
- People who would otherwise be nursed to recovery may well die.
- Those who have other ongoing serious conditions may well die as the NHS is unable to continue the treatment they require.
- Those who need ad hoc specialist care - those involved in road accidents, mother's who have complications giving birth - may die as they can't be cared for properly.

Kids may largely get off lightly with this, but once you multiply this up over 30, 40, 60 or even 80% of the population, many will die. Maybe they just get unlucky with the virus, maybe they had previously unknown health complications.

The above applies to other age groups - all low risk, but no one is "no risk".

The odds may be on my side and on my family's side, but I can't be a blasé prick about the potential implications of this on others, probable in the eyes of many who know far more than you and I about this.

You speak sense sir. I gave up posting the other day for the reasons you given. My wife is very high risk and needs protecting the best we can.

 

[dingodan]

It’s okay, I get it. Happy to take on board new insight such as graphs and test stats.

I’m not sure how much difference it will ultimately make. This virus is going to sweep through the nation, killing some, making some feel very unwell, and having very little effect on the health of the vast majority of people.

New info is great and will help in future outbreaks but not much use for this one. Damage is done now I reckon.

Most people I have spoken to are taking the announcement of X new cases as the number of new cases without really considering in much depth what might be happening under the surface of those numbers.

New info can help and it can help right now. For example, I am much more likely now to start social distancing immediately. That might end up saving me from getting sick, and that might end up saving other more vulnerable people from anything I might have given them if I did get sick and had not yet decided to start social distancing.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

If it all goes pear shaped in the States and Trump throws Pence under the bus he can always get a job in one of the Naked Gun remakes

 

[Rodney Thomas]

Compare and contrast:

This virus is going to sweep through the nation, killing some, making some feel very unwell, and having very little effect on the health of the vast majority of people

I gave up posting the other day for the reasons you given. My wife is very high risk and needs protecting the best we can.

Not to mention all the knock on effects that Bozza mentioned in his post.

 

[Napper]

Biggest daily rise 83 in 24 hours.

still not crazy though is it

 

[Wozza]

I’m not trolling, I really can’t see that I’m saying anything that outrageous?

Your response to new UK figures was:

People horrified it’s going up? What did you expect?

(Nobody on here acted 'horrified')

Your response to enlightening new data offering a fresh perspective was:

I’ve never seen so many graphs all saying the same thing; people are catching the virus.

Yep. Lots of people are going to get it.

That's literally being a troll. Or just a dick.

 

[Springal]

World Health Organisation now class it as a Pandemic. Which pretty much null / voids many peoples insurance, travel insurance etc.

 

[dingodan]

Officially a pandemic, although it has been for some time really hasn't it.

 

[Wozza]

still not crazy though is it

Take a look at: http://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/show...rus-Covid-19&p=9273419&viewfull=1#post9273419

 

[Guinness Boy]

Well, given that someone with mild symptoms can carry and transmit the virus to someone else who may themselves not have mild symptoms but instead become critical, I would imagine that testing people with mild symptoms isn't a wasted test is it.

And how are they being tested, exactly, if they are self isolated or have not even reported their symptoms via 111? Or if they are just a carrier? We're not doing random tests are we? I'd expect the kits to be kept mostly for hospital presentations so we can isolate them and know the risks to the health care professionals, personally. Maybe that's not the case, but you definitely can't test people who don't report symptoms or have such mild ones they are dismissed.