Macbook

[jcdenton08]

If you're a n00b, a girl, work in the professional film-making industry or like to sit in coffee shops pretending to do work - most likely in one of the big comfortable seats which you will then refuse to vacate for HOURS, while you're "picking up your mail" via Wi-Fi, or "updating the work database" - AKA. flashing around your ridiculously overpriced glorified children's toy - then buy a mac!

PS. ALL Apple products, or people who genuinely believe they are "cool" for owning Mac's should be shot without delay.

Macs are trying to be PC's. Fact.

iPod sound quality is terrible. Fact. BUY A MINIDISC RECORDER. Moving parts = win. Everyone knows that. You are not cool for buying Apple. Repeat after me...

 

[Mellotron]

If you're a n00b, a girl, work in the professional film-making industry or like to sit in coffee shops pretending to do work - most likely in one of the big comfortable seats which you will then refuse to vacate for HOURS, while you're "picking up your mail" via Wi-Fi, or "updating the work database" - AKA. flashing around your ridiculously overpriced glorified children's toy - then buy a mac!

PS. ALL Apple products, or people who genuinely believe they are "cool" for owning Mac's should be shot without delay.

Macs are trying to be PC's. Fact.

iPod sound quality is terrible. Fact. BUY A MINIDISC RECORDER. Moving parts = win. Everyone knows that. You are not cool for buying Apple. Repeat after me...

I will READILY admit that a large number of people buy Macs for the cool factor.

But I actually USE mine, and get so much more out of it than I would a PC for what I do. I have a PowerBook, an iPod, and an iPhone, and I am ENTIRELY happy with all of them. I know the alternatives, have used PCs for years (and MiniDiscs) and I'd rather stick with Apple.

I don't take these things out in public so cannot be accused of buying them for flash value. Even if they are beautiful.

At the end of the day, they ARE easier to use, and actually make the mundane tasks a bit more fun. And no viruses or pop ups etc, without having to spend on a virus scan.

 

[Mellotron]

Had a go on a friend's new Google phone, it was nice, but iPhone still DOES s*** all over it.

 

[Mellotron]

If you're a n00b, a girl or like to sit in coffee shops pretending to do work - most likely in one of the big comfortable seats which you will then refuse to vacate for HOURS, while you're "picking up your mail" via Wi-Fi, or "updating the work database" - AKA. flashing around your ridiculously overpriced glorified children's toy - then buy a mac!
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Your post has been fairly well disproved as NONE of the guys on here are the above. Oops.

Love bitter PC users. Kinda like people who still believe the earth is flat. Get over it and join in.

Boot Camp. Mac & Windows in one package, on a laptop that doesn't look like a turd. No reason not to.

 

[jcdenton08]

If you're a n00b, a girl or like to sit in coffee shops pretending to do work - most likely in one of the big comfortable seats which you will then refuse to vacate for HOURS, while you're "picking up your mail" via Wi-Fi, or "updating the work database" - AKA. flashing around your ridiculously overpriced glorified children's toy - then buy a mac!
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Your post has been fairly well disproved as NONE of the guys on here are the above. Oops.

Love bitter PC users. Kinda like people who still believe the earth is flat. Get over it and join in.

Boot Camp. Mac & Windows in one package, on a laptop that doesn't look like a turd. No reason not to.

As somebody who takes PC usage fairly seriously, for gaming and professional reasons, there is no Mac in the world that has the spec to do what I need to do for pleasure, let alone professional reasons, at any affordable price.

But fair do's - show me Mac laptop that has equal or better spec than this;

Intel C2D 2.55Ghz (4mb cache)
4GB DDR III gaming ram
Nvidia Geforce 8800GTS 512mb
17" LCD Glossy screen 1440x900
windows vista premium 64 bit
twin 360gb hard drives
full size numeric keyboard
VGA, 3 USB, Memory card reader, eSATA, 10/1000 Nic, 56K modem, Firewire, HDMI out
Headphone, and Mic ports, Express card slot
1.3mega pixel webcam with Mic
DVD Burner with label flash technology

For equal or less than I paid for new - £500.00 (including taxes/customs charges/postage)

 

[gullshark]

If you're a n00b, a girl, work in the professional film-making industry or like to sit in coffee shops pretending to do work - most likely in one of the big comfortable seats which you will then refuse to vacate for HOURS, while you're "picking up your mail" via Wi-Fi, or "updating the work database" - AKA. flashing around your ridiculously overpriced glorified children's toy - then buy a mac!

PS. ALL Apple products, or people who genuinely believe they are "cool" for owning Mac's should be shot without delay.

Macs are trying to be PC's. Fact.

iPod sound quality is terrible. Fact. BUY A MINIDISC RECORDER. Moving parts = win. Everyone knows that. You are not cool for buying Apple. Repeat after me...

Oh dear me

 

[clapham_gull]

If you're a n00b, a girl, work in the professional film-making industry or like to sit in coffee shops pretending to do work - most likely in one of the big comfortable seats which you will then refuse to vacate for HOURS, while you're "picking up your mail" via Wi-Fi, or "updating the work database" - AKA. flashing around your ridiculously overpriced glorified children's toy - then buy a mac!

PS. ALL Apple products, or people who genuinely believe they are "cool" for owning Mac's should be shot without delay.

Macs are trying to be PC's. Fact.

iPod sound quality is terrible. Fact. BUY A MINIDISC RECORDER. Moving parts = win. Everyone knows that. You are not cool for buying Apple. Repeat after me...

I agree with a lot of that except the "moving parts" bit surely isn't correct.

It's do to with compression/sampling rate that each respective format uses.

 

[Mtoto]

Well I'm a "bitter" Mac user, because my office has forced me to use a Mac laptop for the last seven years even though it doesn't bloody do what I need it to do in order to do my job efficiently.

If you people want to choose a Mac, that's up to you. I don't have that choice, and I would give anything for a shiny new Sony machine that will:

synch with my PDA
run Computer Timeform properly
allow me to back up sound files from a Sony voice recorder

among several other things. I even have to carry a mouse with me at all times just to be sure that I can get a "right click" when I need one.

When I point all this out to the IT department, they just give me that Mac-head look, the one that suggests there can't possibly be anything wrong with the machine they've given me because ... well .. it's a Mac, and Macs are beyond criticism.

Whatever way you try to cut it, if you get a Mac, you are volunteering to join a tiny splinter group in the computing community, and so should expect to be discriminated against when it comes to specialist programs etc. To complain, for instance, that Seagulls World doesn't cater for your needs really is a bit rich. The world runs on Windows, end of story. Opt out if you wish, but don't moan when you suddenly find the rest of the planet isn't gagging to dance along to your tune.

 

[Arthur]

As somebody who takes PC usage fairly seriously, for gaming and professional reasons, there is no Mac in the world that has the spec to do what I need to do for pleasure, let alone professional reasons, at any affordable price.

But fair do's - show me Mac laptop that has equal or better spec than this;

Intel C2D 2.55Ghz (4mb cache)
4GB DDR III gaming ram
Nvidia Geforce 8800GTS 512mb
17" LCD Glossy screen 1440x900
windows vista premium 64 bit
twin 360gb hard drives
full size numeric keyboard
VGA, 3 USB, Memory card reader, eSATA, 10/1000 Nic, 56K modem, Firewire, HDMI out
Headphone, and Mic ports, Express card slot
1.3mega pixel webcam with Mic
DVD Burner with label flash technology

For equal or less than I paid for new - £500.00 (including taxes/customs charges/postage)

You've answered your own question. You plain and simply can't.

But it's a bit like saying why bother buying a Hugo Boss jumper when one from Primark fulfills the same purpose. Or why bother buying a Ferrari when a Ford will do.

Mac's are luxury products, therefore have a luxury price tag.

 

[jcdenton08]

I agree with a lot of that except the "moving parts" bit surely isn't correct.

It's do to with compression/sampling rate that each respective format uses.

Meh. I have a Sony MZ-RH1 Hi-MD which allows digital uploading of manual stereo or mono recordings, and downloading with no limitations.

As somebody who records a LOT of performance, it's ideal.

And as it's a Hi-MD, it takes 1GB discs, and I can get hours of uncompressed high quality music on one disc. If I record on LP4, I can get around 8-9 hours on a disc, and it's STILL higher compression quality than the iPod can put out at it's best.

The moving parts thing is geeky obsession. We love moving parts

 

[Arthur]

I even have to carry a mouse with me at all times just to be sure that I can get a "right click" when I need one.

Hmmmmm what's wrong with ctrl+click or:

OS X: Simple Macbook Double-Click Revision3

 

[jcdenton08]

You've answered your own question. You plain and simply can't.

But it's a bit like saying why bother buying a Hugo Boss jumper when one from Primark fulfills the same purpose. Or why bother buying a Ferrari when a Ford will do.

Mac's are luxury products, therefore have a luxury price tag.

Well, no.. The first line of your post contradicts the rest. I plain and simply can't get a Mac that even has the same SPEC as my laptop, let alone the price issue.. It's not so much paying for the quality of the product is it?

To use your analogy, it's more like buying a Ferrari with a better engine, better top speed and more rugged design, and is generally better in every way (a PC), compared to a beautiful looking Ferrari, which everyone thinks is cool, that struggles to make it up Old Shoreham Road at 10mph, but does have truly fabulous cup holders. (a Mac)..

 

[clapham_gull]

I've always thought it's extremely clever of Apple to market their products as quirky and different, but at the same time charge a price way above what a similiarly spec'd non Apple product.

I know a number of Mac users who genuinely think their machine does for them what a PC couldn't and I have absolute no reason to argue with them.

At the same time, I know thousands of Ipod and IPhone buyers who just want others to see a bit of WHITE cable hanging from their ears or a galaxy bar sized slab of phone against their ear.

White Headphones ! Genius

 

[clapham_gull]

Meh. I have a Sony MZ-RH1 Hi-MD which allows digital uploading of manual stereo or mono recordings, and downloading with no limitations.

As somebody who records a LOT of performance, it's ideal.

And as it's a Hi-MD, it takes 1GB discs, and I can get hours of uncompressed high quality music on one disc. If I record on LP4, I can get around 8-9 hours on a disc, and it's STILL higher compression quality than the iPod can put out at it's best.

The moving parts thing is geeky obsession. We love moving parts

I also own a MD player, but computer geeks don't like moving parts at all, music nerds yes.

 

[jcdenton08]

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I know a number of Mac users who genuinely think their machine does for them what a PC couldn't and I have absolute no reason to argue with them.

This is what aggrevates me though - because I paid more and my Mac is pretty it is better than PC's, even though it can't even do half the things a circa 1996 PC can do. You can get an entry level laptop that has a lot better spec than a top of the range Mac, which is four maybe even five times the price.

This is what I meant in my earlier post. There ARE a *few* things Macs are suited for opposed to PC's. Video editing is one. But you have to be *really* serious about your video editing to part with the moolah, and somehow I think a lot of Mac users are using their Macs to check their e-mail and avoid getting popups - and these people are the ones who care that Apple are "cool" - and most likely have an iPod and an iPhone, and don't know the first thing about the technical side of things.. I.e. what they're actually getting for their money.

 

[jcdenton08]

I also own a MD player, but computer geeks don't like moving parts at all, music nerds yes.

I am both

 

[Mtoto]

Hmmmmm what's wrong with ctrl+click or:

OS X: Simple Macbook Double-Click Revision3

For most things, that works. For reasons that even the IT geeks don't understand, it doesn't work when I need to update my form book, which is running - very slowly - in Parallels (no Mac-specific version, obviously because there's not enough Mac users to make it worthwhile). Thus, I need the mouse.

 

[Black Country Seagull]

if it has not been mentioned, it may be worth doing to the refurb section of the apple website - usually bottom right of your browser when in the store section - You get some great deals there - They are just ones that have been reclaimed or orignally had a fault and have been returned for fixing.

 

[Bozza]

Whatever way you try to cut it, if you get a Mac, you are volunteering to join a tiny splinter group in the computing community

Not at all. Within the computing/technical community there is way above-average usage of Apple product.

Within the computer-using community, PCs rein supreme, but it's there that a lot of naive folk don't know any better.

Don't get me wrong - I have and continue to spend far more of my life on a PC - a little Dell laptop. For my particular line of work, it is ideal and a Mac would not cut the mustard. But when I go home and do things that I want to do (as opposed to have to do) on a computer, my Macbook makes things a far more enjoyable experience than was the case when I used a PC out of work.

So, for my personal circumstances, it's horses for courses - a PC for work and a Mac for play. It may be only me that this arrangement works for, but work it does.

 

[Bluejuice]

Well, no.. The first line of your post contradicts the rest. I plain and simply can't get a Mac that even has the same SPEC as my laptop, let alone the price issue.. It's not so much paying for the quality of the product is it?

I disagree. You can't buy a Mac with all the specs you have listed because they're not as customisable as PC's are so generally you buy them as Apple have spec'd them. Also you've listed Windows Vista in your spec list and frankly nobody who wants a Mac would want Vista so it's pointless trying to argue that point.

However the processor, RAM, graphics card and storage don't seem to be particularly super mega and I am fairly confident that if you benchmarked your machine against a top of the range Mac you'd find that the Mac probably won't fare too shabbily at all.

Comparing the specs in terms of hardware numbers is pointless considering the two machines will use the hardware differently.