seagulls4ever
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He's been in an England squad before hasn't he?
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Lowest point in English goalkeeping
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darters74
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He dropped an absolute clanger on Saturday so he should fit in well......
Ninja Elephant
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- Feb 16, 2009
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Put simply, he is not. He is no better than Joe Lewis (no world beater) or even Alex Smithies. He is an average young goalkeeper who was sold by Blackburn because he won't ever be as good as Paul Robinson. The fact is, the best young England goalkeeper is playing in the Championship for a very ordinary Derby team. Maybe I am being harsh or misjudging his ability, but I don't think so.
Brilliant isn't it.
Coleby1007
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The Large One
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So... he's talented, but not THAT talented?
So what you're saying is that he is some talent to get into the England team but not enough to go to a big club. Would average be a fair description?
Goldstone Rapper
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No one has ever truly replaced Frank Swift as England goalie.
- Oct 17, 2008
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It's the whole 'English players playing for top clubs' thing again though, isn't it? The reason why the English national team isn't very good at football isn't because we 'lack passion', 'fail to turn up at big tournaments', 'are a bunch of over-paid prima donnas' or 'because Lampard and Gerrard can't play in the same team' - it's simply because the best English players aren't as good at football as the best Brazilian/German/Italian/Dutch/Argentine/Spanish/French/Portugese. This includes our goalkeepers.
Our ambitions are unrealistic and - as fans - our expectations do not marry with the quality of players we have at our disposal. Not one member of the current England team would get in the Spanish first eleven, for example. They have a choice of Casillas/Valdes/Reina. Joe Hart would not even make the Spanish squad, much as I rate him at 'our level'.
As England fans we should be content with our station, competing with the likes of Denmark/Greece/Czech Republic/Croatia - and not even worry about what the big guns are doing.
Our ambitions are unrealistic and - as fans - our expectations do not marry with the quality of players we have at our disposal. Not one member of the current England team would get in the Spanish first eleven, for example. They have a choice of Casillas/Valdes/Reina. Joe Hart would not even make the Spanish squad, much as I rate him at 'our level'.
As England fans we should be content with our station, competing with the likes of Denmark/Greece/Czech Republic/Croatia - and not even worry about what the big guns are doing.
But where would this Noel Fielding chap rank?
Coleby1007
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I think average would be a fair shout from what ive seen, with the potential to be a pretty decent Prem keeper in a few years. Im just saying that to put him ahead of Green is certainly the most sensible thing to do as i think Green is shyte.
Who the f**k is Scott Loach?
The Large One
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There's an element of truth in that, but I don't totally agree.
There are some fine English individuals coming through, but they, and the failed generation before them, have been brought up on 'English' football, which is an inferior, superseded form of the game. As has been proved, it doesn't matter how good your players are, if the system you are playing doesn't suit your style OR it's being counter-acted by a better system, you're not going to get anywhere.
Small example, look at what Gus is doing, with (in the early days certainly) many players he inherited and had only played an 'English' way. They changed their style and outlook completely - and look at where we are now.
For me, it's more a coaching issue than a skill issue, though the latter is, of course, important.
I'd rather have Ken Loach.
Watford keeper, was called up for a squad last year. But do you know who David Stockdale is??
Goldstone Rapper
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Is it a purely British thing that we used to produce the best goalkeepers in the world or do people from other countries think the same about us?
When it mattered, our top English goalkeepers have often made key mistakes, even during the so-called golden years e.g. Bonetti against West Germany in 1970, against Poland in 1974 when shilton let an easy save under his body, against Argentina in 1986 when Shilton let midget Maradona outjump him, and Shilton's failure to walk backwards during the freekick against West Germany in 1990.
When it mattered, our top English goalkeepers have often made key mistakes, even during the so-called golden years e.g. Bonetti against West Germany in 1970, against Poland in 1974 when shilton let an easy save under his body, against Argentina in 1986 when Shilton let midget Maradona outjump him, and Shilton's failure to walk backwards during the freekick against West Germany in 1990.
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Yes, our Noel.As someone who watches a lot of Spanish football, if we said that of the 20 La Liga sides, they have 15 Spanish 'keepers, he'd be 16th in line. That is of course discounting some quality youngsters from the Spanish second tier - I imagine Barcelona B and Castilla have some very promising players who are essentially unproven - like Fielding.
Just Googled him. Ipswich 'keeper who has already conceded about a hundred goals this season. Please do not tell me he has also been called up?