labour only 2 points behind in polls

[Uncle Spielberg]

I'm sorry but this is rubbish. Mistakes have been made but the financial disaster has affected every single country in the Western world and we are coming out of it much better than many predictions. It is an acknowledged FACT that the Tories recommended policies would have put us in Depression. They (the tories) really haven't got a clue, change their minds as they go along, really only give a toss about the elite, and for that reason Labour need to (and look like they will) win the next election. Just how unconvincing was Dave Cameron yesterday? He doesnt even sound like he believes himself.


The next step needed is wholesale changes to the entire landscape of politics, and a hung parliament may help this happen sooner rather than later.

The trouble is this " the tories only care about the elite " is all that is trotted out by Labour voters. If you say it enough times enough of the electorate who cannot thknk for themselves will believe it and it looks like the " the tories only care for the elite " campaign is working very well. Cameron has done numerous excellent speeches with detail of what they will do but the Labour voters do not or will not listen to it and trot out the " Cameron has no policies " mantra which again it seems the millions of people relying on an easy ride and contributing nothing under Labour will save their own skins and have another 5 years of contribution squat to the economy.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

why exactly ? how old were you under the last tory government ?

5 , must have been when they took his free milk away that turned him.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

This is the rub. Wizard , great lad has been brainwashed into hating the tories even though he was 5 when they lost power. Now how can that be, it must be from influences around him. No disrespect Wizard but you need to think for yourself. don't just follow the sheep.

 

[User removed 4]

I'm sorry but this is rubbish. Mistakes have been made but the financial disaster has affected every single country in the Western world and we are coming out of it much better than many predictions. It is an acknowledged FACT that the Tories recommended policies would have put us in Depression.

Two points to make, a) everybody knows it was a worldwide financial crisis, they are just pissed off that our caring sharing government spunked so much money that would've left us far better prepared to weather the crisis.
b)the labour policies put us in depression as well, and everyone but spain emerged from it a lot quicker than us.

 

[Albion Dan]

The trouble is this " the tories only care about the elite " is all that is trotted out by Labour voters. If you say it enough times enough of the electorate who cannot thknk for themselves will believe it and it looks like the " the tories only care for the elite " campaign is working very well. Cameron has done numerous excellent speeches with detail of what they will do but the Labour voters do not or will not listen to it and trot out the " Cameron has no policies " mantra which again it seems the millions of people relying on an easy ride and contributing nothing under Labour will save their own skins and have another 5 years of contribution squat to the economy.

That will be the policies that change weekly then? Osbourne week 1 "There is going to be an age of austerity and deep cuts straight away" Cameron week 2 "oh actually we wont have deep cuts straight away" Ken Clarke week 3 "The tories will bring in even harsher cuts than Thatcher"

That is why the Tories have blown it, they are opportunists, their cuts will put recovery at risk, and the people that suffer will be the working and middle class, not the wealthy! Just like in 1990, when a much milder recession lost many more homes and many more jobs due to Tory disregard for anything other than big business and big earners.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The problem is this is all just scare mongering. You are basing your whole opinion in what happened in the past. Cameron may actually be a very good pm and be true to his word. I for one am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt as I simply could not stomach another 5 years of Labour and Brown.

 

[Albion Dan]

Two points to make, a) everybody knows it was a worldwide financial crisis, they are just pissed off that our caring sharing government spunked so much money that would've left us far better prepared to weather the crisis.
b)the labour policies put us in depression as well, and everyone but spain emerged from it a lot quicker than us.

By a quarter or so, at least we have turned a corner, under the Tories policies we would be destroyed. If you look around Western Europe there is barely any growth in any country over the last few 2 quarters, in fact our .3% is now looking favourable.

 

[Simster]

I suppose Labour have created such a huge band of people whose " life choice " is to do nothing and live off benefits that they will probably vote them in again.

Labour didn't create this FFS! This has been the case for literally decades. I'd say the Tories first created this problem under Thatcher because nearly 4 million were out of work in the early '80s. I will say that no government has addressed this issue ever since, and this is the real problem - we need a cultural shift away from choosing handouts as a life choice and I'm not sure how that can be done without penalising the genuinely needy.

It would be a sad indictment of this country and aspirations of our people that they honestly think the best future is with Labour and in particular Brown, without doubt the worst PM this country has ever had. Labour encourage mediocrity, laziness and state reliance and penalise anyone who through hard work earns better than the average.

Erm, how? Seriously, what have Labour done that is any different to the previous Tory government?

 

[Albion Dan]

The problem is this is all just scare mongering. You are basing your whole opinion in what happened in the past. Cameron may actually be a very good pm and be true to his word. I for one am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt as I simply could not stomach another 5 years of Labour and Brown.

Im basing my opinion on what happened in the past becasue the Tories are proposing to do EXACTLY the same thing again. And you cannot deny that they changed their story on how they were going to make cuts weekly, in the 6 months leading to an Election, incredible. How can that be trustworthy on an issue as important as the Economy from a party that needs to gain trust?

 

[Brighton Breezy]

How can CONSERVATIVES offer CHANGE?

 

[User removed 4]

That is why the Tories have blown it, they are opportunists, their cuts will put recovery at risk, and the people that suffer will be the working and middle class, not the wealthy!

This statement proves without a shadow of doubt you are f***ing clueless,the super rich have got a lot wealthier under labour , its the middle classes that have funded all of labours grand plans that have achieved the square root of fuckall in the main, its the middle classes that have had their pensions raped,its the middle classes that get taxed 40% death duties on stuff thats already had tax paid on it.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

They will believe what they want to believe so there is no point debating it bushy.

 

[Simster]

This statement proves without a shadow of doubt you are f***ing clueless

Have you got this line in permanently in your clip board, only you say this to EVERYONE who dares to disagree with you.

It wouldn't be so bad, but you're so quick to offer clueless statements yourself, such as sweeping generalisations on the state of the NHS.

 

[Simster]

They will believe what they want to believe so there is no point debating it bushy.

Says the man who for some unknown reason has put the blame of benefit culture firmly at the door of the Labour party for no apparent reason.

 

[Albion Dan]

This statement proves without a shadow of doubt you are f***ing clueless,the super rich have got a lot wealthier under labour , its the middle classes that have funded all of labours grand plans that have achieved the square root of fuckall in the main, its the middle classes that have had their pensions raped,its the middle classes that get taxed 40% death duties on stuff thats already had tax paid on it.

Thats because Labour have been the Tory party part 2 for much of their stint, mostly under Blair and I have no problem with Inheritance tax anyway. I still trust them far more than Osbourne and Cameron on the Economy and in supporting those in need.

I cant wait for the live tv showdowns, Osbourne is going to get raped!

 

[Billy the Fish]

I'm sorry but this is rubbish. Mistakes have been made but the financial disaster has affected every single country in the Western world and we are coming out of it much better than many predictions. It is an acknowledged FACT that the Tories recommended policies would have put us in Depression. They (the tories) really haven't got a clue, change their minds as they go along, really only give a toss about the elite, and for that reason Labour need to (and look like they will) win the next election. Just how unconvincing was Dave Cameron yesterday? He doesnt even sound like he believes himself.


The next step needed is wholesale changes to the entire landscape of politics, and a hung parliament may help this happen sooner rather than later.

It isn't FACT that a different policy would've been any worse than we are now, it's just what Labour tell us to think, if you believe them you'll believe anything.

What gets me is that people on this thread are arguing about which shower of shite they're going to vote for. It's like aruging about weather you'd rather catch AIDS or cancer.

As someone who is going to vote Conservative at the next election I'm happy to admit that on the whole they will probably do f*** all for anyone and in 4 years time we'll be no better off than we are now. Exactly the same as if the current shambles get in again. *Labour = bankrupt counrty and debt, Tory = higher unemployment and crapper services.
(*probably)

Politics is all spin and lies now (as if it was ever anything else), Blair (and campbell probably) realised that people en masse are stupid, if you keep telling them something over and over again in the end they'll believe it and that is what we've been reduced to. Watch PMQ's and see how many times Brown answers a question by trotting out a load of irrelevant figures. I'm not saying that Cameron will be any different.

I'm all for changing the system, anything that allows people from outside the political circle to get involed and have a chance of getting elected will be good. Most politicians have never known anything outside of westminster, and the environment has turned them into slimey snivelling little brown-nosers and back-stabbers. This is what we have to choose from.

Whatever you all think about the Tories, please don't try and argue that New Labour are any differen't.

 

[BLOCK F]

I suppose Labour have created such a huge band of people whose " life choice " is to do nothing and live off benefits that they will probably vote them in again. It would be a sad indictment of this country and aspirations of our people that they honestly think the best future is with Labour and in particular Brown, without doubt the worst PM this country has ever had. Labour encourage mediocrity, laziness and state reliance and penalise anyone who through hard work earns better than the average. Under Labour and Labour voters these people are to be depised and ridiculed and of course taxed to the hilt. I agree though it will be the biggest ever open goal missed in Political history if the tories blow it and if they do Labour will be in power for decades and it really will be a 1 party country and dictatorship.

Even on a LEFTY forum like NSC,I cannot quite believe that there are so many people wanting another 5 years of Brown and the Labour party.I really can't be bothered to list all the failures,but suffice to say if Labour gets in,God help us all.Brown will replace Darling with his henchman Balls who will do just as his master bids.Spend ,spend ,spend, tax ,tax tax,social engineering and God knows what other ghastly centrist socialist schemes yet to be dreamt up.
Brown,Balls and Harman.Do we really want this nightmare team running Britain for the next 5 years?It really doesn't bear thinking about.
One thought,please remember that Labour ALWAYS spend more than the country can afford,they just can't help themselves.It will end in tears,it always does.
Finally,why all the chippiness against public school and money.I just want the best people to run the country,regardless of background.Likewise,if you have to have treatment or surgery for a serious illness you want the best surgeon available.....does it matter if he went to public school or not?
I want a country where people from all backgrounds aspire to achieve and not develop into chippy grudge bearing under achievers.
P.S.It is fortunate that Tony Bloom has made some dosh or we would all be in the shit!!!

 

[User removed 4]

Have you got this line in permanently in your clip board

Yes , it saves time with people like you.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I am only bitter as I have no dependants, no long term illness , am not a minority, am not an asylum seeker, single so as far as Labour are concerned I am worthless. Try getting some sort of state help if you are single , british and skint.

 

[Simster]

Yes , it saves time with people like you.

Not really, no. Obviously.

Or to quote another of your often used phrases, "well that's driven a bus through my argument".