[Politics] Joe Biden....relaxed about the idea?

[Yes Chef]

I know I know orange man bad, democrats good blah blah blah but I am absolutely gutted that this country had an opportunity to truly move in line with the rest of the first world and get Bernie in, only to see all the centrist wankers drop out for Joe to win it.

https://youtu.be/dns0Mck1R-Q


And there is previous too...

 

[Trevor]

Okay with the Alzheimer's presumption then, and historical accusations of sexual stuff, then?
How can that be?

Clearly neither of us know how valid either of those things are. I feel that US politics is very deep in the gutter even compared to us. The main candidates on either side will get horrific accusations - true or false. I would rather Trump was out of office as he seems unbothered by the deaths and has shown himself to be dreadfully racist and sexist. The truth seems to be a foreign concept to him so yes therefore I hope Biden gets in - doesn't mean I think he is a good candidate

 

[Hu_Camus]

Clearly neither of us know how valid either of those things are. I feel that US politics is very deep in the gutter even compared to us. The main candidates on either side will get horrific accusations - true or false. I would rather Trump was out of office as he seems unbothered by the deaths and has shown himself to be dreadfully racist and sexist. The truth seems to be a foreign concept to him so yes therefore I hope Biden gets in - doesn't mean I think he is a good candidate

'Alzheimer's presumption....' Ah - our man has the right sort of Alzheimer's, all's fine if we just get rid of Trump?


Don't you see how that looks and sounds?

There's nothing wrong with good 'ole Joe - they were female sheep

PROTUS....Alzheimer's......Same sentence
FFS!!!

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[vegster]

Not our problem , but, can't be worse than the incumbent . George W Bush is starting to look like a presidential titan now !

 

[Hu_Camus]

Not our problem , but, can't be worse than the incumbent .
George W Bush is starting to look like a presidential titan now !

Let me see.....Biggest armed forces and nuclear arsenal by a factor of 4
Worlds reserve currency and biggest economy
Overwhelming control of Digital media and data (see Snowden movie)

W?!!....never a Titan, his dad was vacuous, but I'll concede the old man now appears the Titan you speak of

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

An old, racist, homophobic, sexual predator going up against an old, racist, homophobic sexual predator. God bless America.

This with bells on.

A vote for Joe Biden is a vote for another Joe Biden/Hillary Clinton in 4 years.

 

[scamander]

If the democrats were a more organised or capable party I'd say that they were happy to lose this one knowing that a further 4 years might do the Republicans more harm than good with Trump in charge. The more recent developments makes the US Presidency a job which they might be happy to not be in charge for.

Also it means that the next round of candidates are free of the Hilary/Bernie/Biden narrative which hasn't helped.

 

[beorhthelm]

If the democrats were a more organised or capable party I'd say that they were happy to lose this one knowing that a further 4 years might do the Republicans more harm than good with Trump in charge. The more recent developments makes the US Presidency a job which they might be happy to not be in charge for.

Also it means that the next round of candidates are free of the Hilary/Bernie/Biden narrative which hasn't helped.

its a theory i've seen around, they're pretty much content to let Trump have it and aim for the next election. trouble is, Trump lost last election by popular vote, so should be there for the taking. H Clinton was mouldy marmite candidate, and the candidates this time were meh, so were is the hidden talent?

 

[Gwylan]

It's an anomaly that can work both ways, and isn't without president, think 'W' and his 'hanging chads'

There has surely been others, but I can't be bothered to Google it. Democracy has been an ideal, not an actuality since the days of The Forum.

There have been three others: John Quincy Adams, Rutherford Hayes and Benjamin Harrison.

 

[scamander]

its a theory i've seen around, they're pretty much content to let Trump have it and aim for the next election. trouble is, Trump lost last election by popular vote, so should be there for the taking. H Clinton was mouldy marmite candidate, and the candidates this time were meh, so were is the hidden talent?

Generally speaking Presidents tend to win the second term as long as the economy is doing ok, and though this situation might have offered itself as an open goal the US economy is only now starting to see the effects of the massive unemployment coming through. In a sense I think Trump would be happy to lose as he could then claim that it was rigged as well as shout from the sidelines as the incoming President had the most poisoned of chalices.

But I don't think that Trump thinks like that, I also know the prospect of adding another Supreme Justice will likely happen in the next 4 years so a lot on the right (particularly his Christian fanbase) will be keen to see him there to make another pick.

Hilary was the perfect candidate for Trump. I listen to several US political podcasts (both right and left leaning). They seem to agree that Trump made the election about her, it was a referendum on whether you wanted Hilary in. If you didn't, well, you had to have him. It worked a treat. There's a lot of criticism of the Clintons in regards to how they ran the Democratic party and stifled it. Hence the lack of talent coming through. There's also a wider political behavioural pattern going on here. Right leaning voters will back a Republican, whether they are centrist or extreme. Though they may differ on some points they would still rather see a candidate with 50% of their viewpoint rather than a Democrat.

In contrast Democrats love to alienate each other, hence the division of the Bernie supporters vs Hilary etc. There's a thought that the Democrat base is far easier to fracture and this seems to be playing out with supporters of a candidate taking the ball home if their's doesn't get the nomination. This doesn't happen as much with the right. Trump is popular within his own party but he's still seen as a not-very-good-President by many on the right. They just see the likes of AOC and Bernie and think, "anything but them".

As for the popular vote vs the electoral college. Both parties have extensive strategies which have worked on the premise of the electoral college for years. They campaign and strategise specifically on this, so for it to be used is a bit of a lame excuse. It's not a new political formula, or a quirk, it's a known quantity. The fact that Hilary won the popular vote and lost shouldn't be seen as a mark against Trump, it should be seen as a humiliation for her because both her and her team were unable to utilise the support.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Ridiculous that paid up Democrats were completely unable to see the big picture of beating Trump, instead they spent months in an arms race to elect either one of two very elderly candidates, one of whom is a rarity in the US, a true socialist.

Handing, probably, 8 years to an evil racist.

The Democrats have let the geriatrics take over their party. Trump will certainly win again. He looks like the younger, fitter man.

 

[crodonilson]

Crooked Hilary then Sleepy Joe, the Democrats are almost as bad as Labour in appointing candidates to lead their country.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

Ridiculous that paid up Democrats were completely unable to see the big picture of beating Trump, instead they spent months in an arms race to elect either one of two very elderly candidates, one of whom is a rarity in the US, a true socialist.

Handing, probably, 8 years to an evil racist.

The problem is embedded within American politics is the well known fact you don't win elections, you orchestrate not losing them. Behind this selection will be some double crossed evilly corrupt system that ensures Trump doesn't lose the election.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Crooked Hilary then Sleepy Joe, the Democrats are almost as bad as Labour in appointing candidates to lead their country.

You need better bait than that to catch Sir Steer Calmer.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

In fairness I reckon Trumpet would have beaten all of the Democrats shortlist of candidates.

Not so sure.

But selecting Biden gives Trump an open goal.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Also it means that the next round of candidates are free of the Hilary/Bernie/Biden narrative which hasn't helped.

Good point - the Democrats need a clean sweep.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

It's just so depressing that after 4 years of Trump the best the Democrats can come up with is Biden.

 

[bhafc99]

It's just so depressing that after 4 years of Trump the best the Democrats can come up with is Biden.

Totally agree. Hugely disappointing, dull and even arguably counter-productive candidate, at a time when a compelling and charismatic fresh voice could probably have sweep the board.


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[Hu_Camus]

The Democrats still haven't apologised for, or learned the lesson of 'the deplorables' remark. Labour haven't apologised for, or learned the lesson of the 'uneducated, racist, and xenophobic' dialogue.
They both amount to the same thing. For the people deeply offended by these disgusting sentiments, it doesn't matter who opposes the mindset.
A monkey would do. It is who the monkey IS NOT, that has come to define the results

 

[Higham Seagull Army]

As president, Trump is immune from criminal prosecution.
If Biden wins , the floodgates will open ,
Interesting to think who will stand by him , as the lawsuits mount up.
Trump knows this.

Russia,Ukraine.Tax,Sex scandals, take your pick....

Cant wait .