All i seem to see of him, is how he gets bundled over. He's not Owusu who will fight defenders for the ball. A large majority of the flickons i've seen have been when he's been relvivly unchallenged.
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Is Holroyd sh*t? Another Davies/Dickinson?
- Thread starter Nappy thrower
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All i seem to see of him, is how he gets bundled over. He's not Owusu who will fight defenders for the ball. A large majority of the flickons i've seen have been when he's been relvivly unchallenged.
Thats kind of my point. He flicks on the ball a lot yeah, but in a 4-5-1 which works for teh other 9 players, he doesn't perform. Flicking it on to the keeper/defender is shit. If he were able to challenge in the air to touch it down and then run with it more often then he would be scoring more often. While he has no strike patner he has to adapt his game. Gus cannot change a stable and solid 4-5-1 which has gotten us our first home win since the Slade Era at home in the league, and at least 5 points in three games against top six/eight sides away.
I don't think having a player who can flick the ball on to empty space is very useful with our formation, just an idea...
No, its Murrays fault he doesn't realise that he doesn't have a partner as he is the "1" in a 4-5-1.
Crofts should have gotten forward. But he didn't so whats the point in doing flickons all game when he should try to compeate with defenders to touch it down and then look to play it to crofts/dicker who play it to the wings/throw ball to him.
But he can't do that because he is awful in teh air when challenging to put the ball down, when faced with a defender. What i saw against Colchester screamed "cannot challenge effectivally when playing alone".
I do like Murray, he's a class player, i just don't think he is suited to a 4-5-1 more than any other player we've got bar maybe OGH or Forster. And i'm not saying lets start with OGH but what Hart does is gets up in a defenders space and makes them have to work rather than murray who a few times will stay on the floor, either because he just hasn't jumped (ala colchester) or he has been out musceled. If he gets teh ball to feet though, he can light up the league.
Joe Gatting's Dad
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Give Holroyd a chance - even he says he did not expect to be playing so soon - he needs some coaching to improve his play.
Not as simple as that though is it? You can't always just "make" a header into a "bring down". A lot of the time it's just too high and Murray can only head it, the onus is thus COMPLETELY on Crofts/Holroyd/Forster etc to get on the end of those flick ons.
Did you see Gus yesterday absolutely berating Crofts for not getting up in support of Murray? He did not berate Murray for flicking it on to no one/putting that ball across the goal line for no one. Murray was doing his job (a very hard and thankless one in a 4-5-1), Crofts wasn't.
Regardless of this formation/previous formations Murray IS excellent in the air overall, no doubt about it.
Did you see Gus yesterday absolutely berating Crofts for not getting up in support of Murray? He did not berate Murray for flicking it on to no one/putting that ball across the goal line for no one. Murray was doing his job (a very hard and thankless one in a 4-5-1), Crofts wasn't.
Regardless of this formation/previous formations Murray IS excellent in the air overall, no doubt about it.
BensGrandad
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I think that you are expecting him to pick up the ball from Bezovan run the length of the pitch and score then be back helping out for a corner. Why do we have 11 players in a team.
No, i expect him maybe to peform better in the air.
I may be a little harsh to crtisize Murray's areial ability rather in liu of defend Holroyd.
I think we need to play to Holroyd and Murray's srengths though, imo Both are better on teh floor.
Spiros
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If I remember rightly even Forster took a while to adjust to playing here, so it's very harsh to judge Holroyd off the back of just over 3 games playing time. And it's not as if any of the other forwards have been banging them in at Withdean for us lately is it.
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Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Murray should be getting on the end of his own flick-ons.
The lazy bastard.
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The lazy bastard.
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Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!
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Quite agree BG but shows how poorly we played 4-5-1 on Saturday. Now where's that thread from a few weeks back on this?
Chesney Christ
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If there anyone out there who seriously thinks Dickinson is a better headerer of the ball than Murray then they must be another planet.
Coca-Cola Kid
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- Feb 9, 2010
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This guy is suppose to be a "one for the future" QUOTE]
One for the FUTURE doesn't mean he'll be playing at his peak in the PRESENT
Either get behind or keep your mouth shut.
Thread over
portslade seagull
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Sorry but he is no better than Dixon at the moment and we need to loan him out and use Forster until the end of the season....At least he scores goals
BensGrandad
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That may work sending him to a Div 2 side but would it shatter his confidence completely and what would it prove as whether or not he can cut it at league 1 standard..