How much is the Referendum Campaign influencing you?

[brighton fella]

I'm out and not a single person will influence me otherwise.

 

[Soulman]

I'm out and not a single person will influence me otherwise.

Well these lot are certainly influenced...... how long before more censorship on the good ship EU.

The EU has concluded a deal with Youtube, Twitter, Facebook and Microsoft. These digital corporations have “signed up” to a new European Union (EU) “Code of Conduct”, pledging to censor and “criminalise” perceived “illegal online hate speech” as well as “promoting independent counter-narratives” that the EU favours.


Members of the European Parliament were swift to say that it was “Orwellian,” digital freedom groups pulled out of discussions with the EU, and by the end of the day Index on Censorship, the National Secular Society, the Open Rights Group, and the U.S.-based Free Press all slammed the “Code of Conduct”. Now, everyday users of the platform Twitter are having their say under the trending hashtag #IStandWithHateSpeech.

And......

So when the popular and eurosceptic EUReferendum website recently disappeared off Google’s first page of results on the topic – after being the top result for the topic on search engines for more than a decade – eyebrows were raised.
The site was founded in 2004 by author and researcher Richard North, was rated by the Financial Times as the UK’s most influential political blog in 2006, and remains the top result for the topic when searched on Yahoo and Microsoft’s Bing. But on Google now, it appears as either the 13th or 15th result, on the second page – below three government pages on the topic, four links to the pro-EU Guardian and Independent newspapers, one to the BBC, and just one to the more eurosceptic Telegraph.
Mr. North, the site’s founder, told The Register that web giant could be losing its integrity, and warned that its incredible power could be used to distort the democratic process. “It is vital that people should realise Google’s potential (or actual) power. What started out as a good working tool has gone the way of the rest – power corrupts and Google corrupts absolutely”, he wrote in an email.
Google is widely thought to be the most powerful tech firm in the world, second only to Facebook, which was recently exposed as supporting liberal causes and suppressing conservative voices. According to peer-reviewed work by psychologist Robert Epstein, described to Politico last year, Google easily has the power to swing elections. He wrote: “America’s next president could be eased into office not just by TV ads or speeches, but by Google’s secret decisions, and no one – except for me and perhaps a few other obscure researchers – would know how this was accomplished.”

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Are you saying a growing trade deficit is a good thing?

Are you saying having the freedom to negotiate your own trade deals with some of the biggest, fastest growing economies in the world is a bad thing?

Isn't this fun!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It's not easy it's really bloody hard. These things, I think I read, take 7 years on average. Lots of details. It shouldn't be forgotten that one of the big damages from Brexit it is that renegotiating trade deals will take a long time, more than a decade. In that time the amount of lost trade and investment will be simply staggering.

A lot bloody harder when you have to wait for 28 countries to agree to start negotiating. Then have to satisfy 28 different positions during the negotiations inevitably prolonging them. Then have to include conditions in the trade deal that damage British business because other EU countries insist they are included. This isn't a simple equation of two equal sides making a deal as you seem to suggest, it's one side fighting for the Chinese national interest against 28 competing interests. There is a negative side to surrendering our right to trade freely around the world, with who we please, when we deem it suitable, in our national interest.

 

[Soulman]

Shameless Remain's willful dishonesty over Europe
Remain's EU referendum campaign is the most shameful episode in recent British political history on a par with 1930s ‘appeasement’ in its willful dishonesty
We are now in purdah, which means that Cameron can no longer use legions of civil servants to invent new porkies to push for a ‘stay’ vote. His statesman-like response to the challenge of Brexit is to warn about more expensive mobile phone calls and budget-airline fares.

So vote ‘leave’ and it’s Clacton, not Benidorm.

Yeah, right!

The current referendum campaign is the most shameful episode in recent British political history on a par with 1930s ‘appeasement’. Heir to Blair? Heir to Neville Chamberlain, more like.

This does not mean that the lacklustre Brexit’ campaign will get any better, split as it is between Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

There is no coherent message, and it is way past time when they should be setting out the issues in plain language that people can understand, not just the ’pollies’ who occupy the Westminster village. Here are a few.

Should:

1. Westminster be the ultimate source of laws for the British?

2. The Supreme Court be the final legal authority for Britain, excluding any jurisdiction from any foreign court?

3. Britain have sole control over immigration, including terms of entry and visa policy?

4. Britain have sole responsibility for all public health matters, such as tobacco and alcohol policies? all consumer protection matters returned to Britain e.g. power of vacuum cleaners, standards for light bulbs?

5. Britain have complete control over fisheries and agriculture?

6. Our armed forces be merged into the proposed (but not disclosed) EU defence force?

And many more….
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6324/shameless_remain_s_willful_dishonesty_over_europe

 

[Hampster Gull]

Merkel has pointed out that outside the club we will get a worse deal. Yet more common sense politics from Europes leading politician. The last of our big hitters, Thatcher, was pro the EU free market also. Nuf said

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Yet more common sense politics from Europes leading politician.

Angela Merkel=Worst western leader since Hitler.

Sent from the boot of Lingard

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Shameless Remain's willful dishonesty over Europe
Remain's EU referendum campaign is the most shameful episode in recent British political history on a par with 1930s ‘appeasement’ in its willful dishonesty
We are now in purdah, which means that Cameron can no longer use legions of civil servants to invent new porkies to push for a ‘stay’ vote. His statesman-like response to the challenge of Brexit is to warn about more expensive mobile phone calls and budget-airline fares.

So vote ‘leave’ and it’s Clacton, not Benidorm.

Yeah, right!

The current referendum campaign is the most shameful episode in recent British political history on a par with 1930s ‘appeasement’. Heir to Blair? Heir to Neville Chamberlain, more like.

This does not mean that the lacklustre Brexit’ campaign will get any better, split as it is between Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

There is no coherent message, and it is way past time when they should be setting out the issues in plain language that people can understand, not just the ’pollies’ who occupy the Westminster village. Here are a few.

Should:

1. Westminster be the ultimate source of laws for the British?

2. The Supreme Court be the final legal authority for Britain, excluding any jurisdiction from any foreign court?

3. Britain have sole control over immigration, including terms of entry and visa policy?

4. Britain have sole responsibility for all public health matters, such as tobacco and alcohol policies? all consumer protection matters returned to Britain e.g. power of vacuum cleaners, standards for light bulbs?

5. Britain have complete control over fisheries and agriculture?

6. Our armed forces be merged into the proposed (but not disclosed) EU defence force?

And many more….
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6324/shameless_remain_s_willful_dishonesty_over_europe

On top of this you have Shameless Boris lying everytime he opens his mouth.


In fact this whole sorry experience has been nothing but a 3? month masterclass in the untruth from senior politicians from both 'sides'.


The only ones who are exempt are the ones who have said nothing !

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Are you saying having the freedom to negotiate your own trade deals with some of the biggest, fastest growing economies in the world is a bad thing?!

Might be. I don't know. I'd love you to explain how and why you think the U.K. might leverage a better deal than the EU can though.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Shameless Remain's willful dishonesty over Europe
Remain's EU referendum campaign is the most shameful episode in recent British political history on a par with 1930s ‘appeasement’ in its willful dishonesty
We are now in purdah, which means that Cameron can no longer use legions of civil servants to invent new porkies to push for a ‘stay’ vote. His statesman-like response to the challenge of Brexit is to warn about more expensive mobile phone calls and budget-airline fares.

So vote ‘leave’ and it’s Clacton, not Benidorm.

Yeah, right!

The current referendum campaign is the most shameful episode in recent British political history on a par with 1930s ‘appeasement’. Heir to Blair? Heir to Neville Chamberlain, more like.

This does not mean that the lacklustre Brexit’ campaign will get any better, split as it is between Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

There is no coherent message, and it is way past time when they should be setting out the issues in plain language that people can understand, not just the ’pollies’ who occupy the Westminster village. Here are a few.

Should:

1. Westminster be the ultimate source of laws for the British?

2. The Supreme Court be the final legal authority for Britain, excluding any jurisdiction from any foreign court?

3. Britain have sole control over immigration, including terms of entry and visa policy?

4. Britain have sole responsibility for all public health matters, such as tobacco and alcohol policies? all consumer protection matters returned to Britain e.g. power of vacuum cleaners, standards for light bulbs?

5. Britain have complete control over fisheries and agriculture?

6. Our armed forces be merged into the proposed (but not disclosed) EU defence force?

And many more….
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6324/shameless_remain_s_willful_dishonesty_over_europe

No to all 6.

 

[Soulman]

No to all 6.

Fair enough. I wonder how the people that live here feel.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Merkel has pointed out that outside the club we will get a worse deal. Yet more common sense politics from Europes leading politician. The last of our big hitters, Thatcher, was pro the EU free market also. Nuf said

Angela Merkel who is facing severe pressure in her own country for the handling of the migrant crisis. This is why I don't trust a single word they say anymore. She pointed out we are better staying in the EU because we would get the changes we need. My change would involve reforming free movement, I think we know what the answer would be on that one "Nein"

https://www.rt.com/news/345083-germany-eu-leave-poll/

 

[Hampster Gull]

Angela Merkel who is facing severe pressure in her own country for the handling of the migrant crisis. This is why I don't trust a single word they say anymore. She pointed out we are better staying in the EU because we would get the changes we need. My change would involve reforming free movement, I think we know what the answer would be on that one "Nein"

Yes, that would be a Nein

 

[The Rivet]

Fair enough. I wonder how the people that live here feel.

Agreed Soulman. He doesn't even live here but makes his money in the fourth reich. HT is getting a little boring now with his irritating sniping and his slavish bumlicking of the EU.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Yes, that would be a Nein

Even though people in the UK would like to see this reformed, and the same goes for all the other countries inside the EU worried about migration from outside the EU. Instead of working with their fellow members, Brussels would like to force migrant quotas on them. That is not fair.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Fair enough. I wonder how the people that live here feel.

hopefully the same as me.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Agreed Soulman. He doesn't even live here but makes his money in the fourth reich. HT is getting a little boring now with his irritating sniping and his slavish bumlicking of the EU.

Feel free to pop me on ignore.

 

[pastafarian]

Should:

1. Westminster be the ultimate source of laws for the British?

2. The Supreme Court be the final legal authority for Britain, excluding any jurisdiction from any foreign court?

3. Britain have sole control over immigration, including terms of entry and visa policy?

4. Britain have sole responsibility for all public health matters, such as tobacco and alcohol policies? all consumer protection matters returned to Britain e.g. power of vacuum cleaners, standards for light bulbs?

5. Britain have complete control over fisheries and agriculture?

If the public had been told these are just a few of the things we will hand away all those years ago,that first referendum would have been very different

just goes to show you what piecemeal mission creep can achieve when you hoodwink a nation

 

[The Rivet]

Feel free to pop me on ignore.

No chance of that. I don't censor anyone like that. You go ahead and spout bile at the UK if you feel you have to.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No chance of that. I don't censor anyone like that. You go ahead and spout bile at the UK if you feel you have to.

Drama queen