Gus is trending on Twitter again!

[Lord Bracknell]

http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.uy/Edicion-UN/articulos/prints-2011dic21/dep01.html

SANCIONADO POR EL EPISODIO CONTRA patrice EVRA
Ocho para Suárez

La comisión disciplinaria de la Federación Inglesa de Fútbol sancionó ayer a Luis Suárez con la pena de ocho partidos por los supuestos insultos racistas contra el francés Patrice Evra del Manchester United.

Por Jorge de León




El Liverpool se mostró molesto. Los fans de los rojos demostraron en las redes sociales su descontento. Para muchos entendidos en Europa la sanción ha sido desmedida. Lo cierto es que Luis Suárez cargará con una pena de ocho encuentros de sanción en la Premier League después que se supo el fallo de la Comisión de Disciplina.

Este organismo también aplicó al salteño una sanción económica de 40.000 libras (unos 62.000 dólares) por haberlo hallado culpable de proferir agravios de carácter racista al galo Evra tras disputarse el encuentro con el Manchester United y en momentos que se iban al vestuario.

Suárez había rechazado por completo la acusación y de inmediato recibió todo el apoyo de parte de su institución y de las principales figuras del club.

Además, el pasado plagado de episodios polémicos por parte de Evra abonó la idea de que la sanción no sería tan desmesurada.

La semana anterior, medios ingleses hablaban de que la pena iría de 3 a 5 encuentros. Ahora, el Liverpool habrá de apelar la sanción la que puede quedar en suspenso.

De cumplirse la pena, Suárez se perderá ocho partidos de Liga y por tanto volverá en la fecha 25 del campeonato inglés y el destino quiso que ese encuentro sea justamente contra el Manchester United. Dicho encuentro está fijado para el 11 de febrero y allí se volverían a ver las caras Suárez y Evra.

El Liverpool se vio muy sorprendido por la sanción de la Comisión y de inmediato se dedicará a estudiar los términos de la apelación del fallo y cuáles serán los mejores caminos para la defensa.

En el sitio oficial del club se hace referencia a la práctica permanente de los rojos en contra de actitudes racistas y deja en claro que la institución brega para que no se generen este tipo de hechos y que condena el racismo en todas sus manifestaciones.

Resalta la profesionalidad y la personalidad de Suárez citando incluso que uno de sus abuelos es de raza negra y niega que el salteño haya cometido actos repudiables contra Evra. Incluye palabras del galo quien anunció que "No creo que Luis Suárez sea racista".

Liverpool resalta que Suárez forma parte de proyectos caritativos para usar al deporte como medio de todas las clases con el lema principal de que el color de la piel no es el problema y que todos pueden jugar en el mismo equipo.

“Evra es un futbolista conflictivo”

"No sé en qué mundo vamos a vivir de ahora en adelante. Comenzarán las acusaciones de unos a otros por cualquier cosa", dijo a Ultimas Noticias Gustavo Poyet desde Inglaterra. El actual técnico del Brighton señaló que Suárez "recién llegó y hay cosas que tiene que aprender cuando está en otro país porque son normales acá, aunque no lo son en otras partes del mundo". Sobre las polémicas del francés Evra, dijo que el galo "tiene antecedentes. No es un santo. Tuvo varios inconvenientes. Es un futbolista conflictivo". Poyet instaló una defensa a favor del salteño: "Expliqué cómo nosotros vivimos y convivimos con la gente de color. Compartimos cualquier tipo de momentos. Jugamos al fútbol. Compartimos su fiesta, la llamadas. Nos encantan los tamboriles. Nacemos, nos criamos y morimos con ellos. Los llamamos "negros" en forma natural. Hasta cariñosa. Es que así fuimos criados con ellos. Estamos integrados. Y no existen problemas por parte de ninguno de los dos. Incluso dije que deben darse cuenta de que hay otro mundo. Sin decir que ellos tienen que cambiar. Simplemente expliqué cómo vivimos los uruguayos o, mejor dicho, los sudamericanos esta situación con la gente de color. Llevo mucho tiempo en Inglaterra y los entiendo. Sé cómo se maneja, pero Luis recién llegó", indicó Poyet. El técnico respaldó a Suárez al conocer anoche la sanción de ocho partidos: “Esto es increíble, es una pena exagerada. ¡Es increíble! Respaldo a Luis a muerte”, concluyó.

 

[1066familyman]

I was in Malawi for 6 weeks and frequently referred to as Mzungu, meaning 'White Man'. I didn't find it offensive in the slightest. Nor was it meant to be offensive.

Exactly. In Nigeria you'd be called Oyibo.

There's even an Oyibo version of NSC

 

[1066familyman]

Regarding referring to someone's colour, that's one of the key cultural differences at the heart of the issue. In English polite society, it is usually considered rude and unnecessary to refer to someone's skin colour, particularly if it's different to your own. Instead, you get well-meaning people in this country trying to be anti-racist by saying things like 'I don't care what skin colour or race you are.' When I went to school, I certainly remember teachers saying things along these lines.

Looking at it from a different perspective, such from a more typically South American perspective, ignoring aspects of someone else's different racial and ethnic heritage may be seen as more disrespectful than respectful. With someone's difference in skin colour, how much more respectful it is to be acknowledging it, valuing it and affirming it? Much more, so say many Uruguayans. When someone is addressed as 'negrito', it's done with a record of having previously been used to express affinity and celebrate and love our differences. it's just a different way and it has a place in the world too.

Suarez definitely needs to learn, though, that the Uruguayan way is not the only way in the world and take responsibility for how his words land with others from a different perspective.

Superb post !

Says it all perfectly for me.

 

[Woodchip]

Gus is TRENDY? We all knew that anyway. He's the king of flair.

(Think 6 pints of Old may have addled my brain. Night all!!!!)

 

[Barrel of Fun]

The like/rep function should come back for thaqt post alone.

 

[W.C.]

It's from a Uruguayan newspaper's interview I see. I wonder who translated it.

edit : Didn't spot Lord B's post
Again, here, saying someone is 'coloured' is not acceptable anymore. But in Uruguay, is talking about 'la gente de color' offensive? If it isn't, and I imagine it isn't if a an intelligent man like Gus/a newspaper are using it, then whoever translated it isn't really doing their job properly. I'd even suggest they (the Mirror) would have done it on purpose.

 

[rcf0712]

There does appear to be some delicate thin-skinned people who think that Brighton's name is being dragged through the mud. They are also missing the point.

Gus is being asked for his opinion because he is Uruguayan, not because he is the Brighton manager. Rio Ferdinand's tweet is as insulting as it it thick.

FWIW, people are once again looking for racism (in this case in Gus), where none exists. A cultural consideration is being offered here, and some English people, because they disagree with his point of view, don't like it and look to censor him.

Spot on - when do Liverpool go to Man Utd, that will be interesting.....

 

[rcf0712]

Dare I say it, it's a bit like if I were to be offended by being called a Pom. I'm not, and I know there's no malice in it, just the Aussie need to have a shortened version or nickname for everything. Yet I've seen English folk over here getting all hot and bothered about it and for a while there was even a campaign to have it outlawed..... It's almost as if no one is allowed to be offended by anything nowadays. I saw a really good stand up spot last night on the annoying Michael McIntyre's Comedy Roadshow. Some hairy Aussie who lives in the UK, did a very good routine about how people don't know how to take offence nowadays, as it were....

 

[NMH]

I was in Malawi for 6 weeks and frequently referred to as Mzungu, meaning 'White Man'. I didn't find it offensive in the slightest. Nor was it meant to be offensive.

I don't think the FA are the right body to judge what is and what isn't offensive.

If they are going to ban someone for 8 matches for that, why not ban someone like Rooney for 3/4 matches for being offensive towards people - just watching MOTD, he seems (along with many others) to tell all and sundry to 'f*** off'.

On the Rooney front, I agree completely.

As for the adjudication, you have a point in that their judgments can be strange/uneven and often poor.

Who is anyone to judge though? What was said about and to you in Malawi was not offensive to you - but Senegal-born Patrice Latyr Evra who is also from a latin based language did find the language offensive enough, to raise and then let the case go all the way.
What would it take for any of us to be *so easily offended* (apparently according to some of the logic here)?

There is a campaign to kick racism out of football. Who is judging it? By what metre? What right have they to make these judgments or enact any response?

 

[NMH]

Just a few years ago .. ok 300... this was said to convict witches. Them's the rules they preside... bla bla bla bla ... But ok.. you are right and I am wrong (without evidence but what do you care about evidence? )

The evidence is with Evra and Suarez. Evra called on the powers that exist to let Suarez know his attitude isn't on.
It's not about a mob drowning a witch or arcane superstitions.

For what I care about evidence....what does Gus care about evidence?
You can't play BOTH sides in a card game by picking the cards you want for the left hand but not the right, and then say the left hand wins fair and square.

On the terraces if someone makes monkey noises at someone else, someone has to judge that too. Who are they to judge? Well, for all the muddying of this issue, some might suggest that nobody has the right to judge.

 

[fly high]

If they are going to ban someone for 8 matches for that, why not ban someone like Rooney for 3/4 matches for being offensive towards people - just watching MOTD, he seems (along with many others) to tell all and sundry to 'f*** off'.

I think you'll find he was when he swore into the camera.....................

 

[Hungry Joe]

So this case was started by Evra, and he should demand a court of "coloured people" to judge it.

How did you manage to draw that conclusion from what he said? Your brain does seem to work in obtuse ways sometimes. I'll indulge you though; those chosen to judge, whoever they are, are instructed to do so on the balance of evidence as it pertains to the statutes applied, not on emotive feelings such as "would I be offended by this".

 

[Publius Ovidius]

I think it's getting into a national obsession to be offended by something, whether it be religion, colour of skin, outfits people wear etc.


The problem is clash of cultures of people who have moved to the uk.....eastern Europeans have a totally different view of race that western Europeans.

 

[Hungry Joe]

I think there should be a compulsory New Year's Resolution for everyone in the UK to chill the f*** out. It might last a week or two at least.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

I think it's getting into a national obsession to be offended by something

Absolutely, one million percent THIS.

 

[Woodchip]

I think there should be a compulsory New Year's Resolution for everyone in the UK to chill the f*** out. It might last a week or two at least.

More chance of Kean keeping his job.

Sent by yolk folk

 

[NMH]

How did you manage to draw that conclusion from what he said? Your brain does seem to work in obtuse ways sometimes. I'll indulge you though; those chosen to judge, whoever they are, are instructed to do so on the balance of evidence as it pertains to the statutes applied, not on emotive feelings such as "would I be offended by this".

I know that - and I didn't draw a conclusion at all. You are looking for substance that isn't there - perhaps you ought to add something of your own to the conversation instead of detracting from a response I made with someone else.

 

[brighton fc]

100% behind poyet there is nothing he has said in this statement which is racist everything he is saying is rite !

 

[rcf0712]

Interesting comments from John Barnes on BB website about Suarez - "By admitting [what he said], he obviously didn't feel that what he said was that significant. Because he could easily have gotten away with it by saying 'I never said a word'."
Another vote for cultural differences from possibly one of the most racially abused player ever to grace English football, they used to throw bunches of of bananas at him when he played for Liverpool ffs....

 

[itszamora]

Interesting comments from John Barnes on BB website about Suarez - "By admitting [what he said], he obviously didn't feel that what he said was that significant. Because he could easily have gotten away with it by saying 'I never said a word'."
Another vote for cultural differences from possibly one of the most racially abused player ever to grace English football, they used to throw bunches of of bananas at him when he played for Liverpool ffs....

I thought Barnes made a couple of other excellent points - firstly that actually, ignorance/cultural differences sort of are an excuse or at least a mitigating factor. And secondly, why isn't calling Liverpool fans scouse thieves and so on considered racist? As GW said above, we have now become a nation obsessed with finding and taking offence at anything, often patronisingly on the behalf of others.