Green party to win Brighton Pavillion

[Barrel of Fun]

whats that Barrel of Fun? I suggest you read the second link.

"The Green Party, for example, is in favour of increased funding for research on methods of integrated conventional and holistic treatments for cancer."

Oh great funding aromatherapy for life threratening diseases. When are you going to grasp these people are simpletons?

The Green Party believes that experiments on human embryos could have unforeseen outcomes harmful both to individuals and to society. We would work for an immediate international ban on all cloning and genetic manipulation of embryos, whether for research, therapeutic or reproductive purposes.

We do think that the use of 'adult' (or 'mature') stem-cells has promise for both research and therapeutic purposes and does not involve the same risks and ethical issues as embryonic stem-calls. The Green Party would work to allow the use across the EU of adult stem-cells, subject to the precautionary principle.

 

[looney]

You try so hard to make people believe you have a clue Looney but nobody ever buys it. You've been outed to many times as a pointless, ignorant, right wing twat

Desperate airclaims by a discredited leftist thanks, I detail my arguments with links(to leftwing sites) and you blow hot air.

Oh and please dont pretend you speak on behalf of others, political fringe freaks like you are generally shunned.

 

[Bluejuice]

I don't need to provide links to every occasion on which you've been made to look like a complete bellend on this forum sharing your outdated views and shouting off for the sake of trying to win some internet battle that you've invented in your head because you have some obsession with shouting down other forum users in a vain attempt to make yourself feel important.

The truth is that nobody takes you seriously, your desperation to "flame" anyone who opposes your mostly nonsensical and poorly researched ideals is seen as laughable. Every thread on this FOOTBALL forum is not an invitation for you to flex your geeky internet might and clap your hands that whatever nonsense you spew forth has put somebody else in their place.

It's utterly pathetic.

I genuinely pity you

 

[bhaexpress]

I don't wish to demean your expertise on the subject, I seem to remember you were studying for a Masters :stalker: , but what makes you think that their experts have not considered this? They do seem to put a good case forwards regarding energy conservation and various other means in the short term.

Interesting stance this but according to my relatives in Canada who work at Bruce Power (The largest nuclear power station in North America) the environmentalists there have a very different view and in fact are pro atomic power.

The was another power source there too. Being right by Lake Huron there are a huge number of Windmills there. However a lot of the locals don't like them as for reasons that nobody can explain they allegedly cause headaches ! I have to say I didn't realise just how big they are until I stood right beside one.

 

[Was not Was]

It's interesting that so many people see the Greens as 'left-wing'.

Policies of both left and right have been based on the assumption that the planet's resources are open-ended and that we can carry on creating wealth and growing economies forever.

The key thing about the Greens is that they don't accept this (and, to be fair, the evidence is pretty overwhelming that they are right).

So they're neither left nor right, but it's hard to see them getting much electoral success if (as NSC discussion suggests) people tend to see them as lefties.

 

[Simster]

Desperate airclaims by a discredited leftist thanks, I detail my arguments with links(to leftwing sites) and you blow hot air.

Oh and please dont pretend you speak on behalf of others, political fringe freaks like you are generally shunned.

Hilarious, seeing looney talk about others being on the political fringes. You're an absolute fruit loop, your posts don't make any sense and your links are usually completely irrelevant as with closer examination they NEVER back up your point.

I could do with a laugh. Tell us that one again about how climate change isn't influenced by human nature by linking to 9 year old evidence from that American right wing think tank.

 

[The Large One]

It's interesting that so many people see the Greens as 'left-wing'.

Policies of both left and right have been based on the assumption that the planet's resources are open-ended and that we can carry on creating wealth and growing economies forever.

The key thing about the Greens is that they don't accept this (and, to be fair, the evidence is pretty overwhelming that they are right).

So they're neither left nor right, but it's hard to see them getting much electoral success if (as NSC discussion suggests) people tend to see them as lefties.

However, in this instance, it's fair to say Caroline Lucas does operate from a 'left-wing' perspective.

 

[Jim D]

......they really need to distill their issues down to ones that are realisitic.

Surely the whole reason for voting Green is idealistic? If they suddenly became more realistic they would just be like the rest.

 

[BLOCK F]

The Greens are only suited to LA-LA LAND.They are a completely unrealistic bunch of weirdos,who really do not deserve to be given a moments serious consideration by those of us who live in the real world.I include in that,those of either left or right wing sympathies.
Trouble is,as much as I love our football team,there are a high percentage of unrealistic weirdos who both live in Brighton and support the Seagulls!!

 

[bhaexpress]

The Greens are only suited to LA-LA LAND.They are a completely unrealistic bunch of weirdos,who really do not deserve to be given a moments serious consideration by those of us who live in the real world.I include in that,those of either left or right wing sympathies.
Trouble is,as much as I love our football team,there are a high percentage of unrealistic weirdos who both live in Brighton and support the Seagulls!!

You might consider them unrealistic but I would be prepared to bet that they have a more coherent idea of what they stand for than you do. They have an opinion that deserves to be heard although whether they get voted for depends on the electorate.

 

[BLOCK F]

You might consider them unrealistic but I would be prepared to bet that they have a more coherent idea of what they stand for than you do. They have an opinion that deserves to be heard although whether they get voted for depends on the electorate.

BHA EXPRESS.
Do you mean the Greens know what they stand for and I haven't a clue what they stand for,or do you mean I don't know what I stand for?
Well thank heavens that the majority of the electorate in the country will no doubt concur with me and give the unrealistic Greens but a few votes!
Face it,they are unrealistic....get a grip and be honest with your sensible side and you will realise it too!!

 

[beorhthelm]

Jezzuz, they are inefficiant because, wind, solar and wave are weather dependant, its got f*** all to do with proper funding or scale/

firstly, what you mean therefore is ineffective, inefficient considers the cost/power returned for investment. secondly, i included the need for coal and nuclear to cover the very problem of their transient nature. thirdly, wave power is not wether dependent, the tides are constantly in flux (and few systems actually rely on "waves").

you wont see me defending the climate change zealots, but wake up and understand the larger complexities to whats happening and what can be done: temperatures wont increase 6deg, the sea wont rise 20m, but the pollution will get us instead and there wont be resources left for the next generation. oh... that might involve rational thought, but give it a go eh?

It's interesting that so many people see the Greens as 'left-wing'.

because they are, they generally have socialist policies and they are often associated with anti-capitalist politics. yes, that does fit with a green message, but thats along way from the right wing. i cant think of any area the green would be considered right wing (suggestions?)

 

[looney]

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Policies of both left and right have been based on the assumption that the planet's resources are open-ended and that we can carry on creating wealth and growing economies forever.

The key thing about the Greens is that they don't accept this (and, to be fair, the evidence is pretty overwhelming that they are right).

It is this falsehood that the Greens need to retain their arua of credability and underpin their authoritarianism.

"The assumption that the planets resources are open ended" is a simplistic strawman arguement, its GCSE economics, not even that.

When a resource is depleted due to rising demand or scarcity it becomes more expensive therefor alternatives look less costly and it becomes worth the risk to develope new technologies.

This is not a new argument neither is the "Cake" one parroted by the greens new, that is if someone has more then someone else has less and/or the cake will run out eventually..

It is though a discredited argument from over a 100 years ago and one that neither the more intelligent "right or Left" buy into.

Of course if it is a finite resource then thats when issues of rationing and "big benevolent Government" need to step in but that plainly isn't the case with existing technologies and ones in developement.

This implies that I should beleive that peak oil and AGW are fundementally good things, which I would love to beleive as it would kickstart growth and possibly the space age.

Problem is peak oil and AGW are, like your point, bullshit.

 

[Bluejuice]

You're trying to use big words but you aren't actually making any sense.

Why don't you stick to your internet insult battles eh?

 

[Don Quixote]

Anyone who votes for them is a closet communist and thus a trator to the country. They should be shot.

 

[Bluejuice]

Why would being a Communist be traitorous?

 

[coventrygull]

The Greens are only suited to LA-LA LAND.They are a completely unrealistic bunch of weirdos,who really do not deserve to be given a moments serious consideration by those of us who live in the real world.I include in that,those of either left or right wing sympathies.
Trouble is,as much as I love our football team,there are a high percentage of unrealistic weirdos who both live in Brighton and support the Seagulls!!

Yes thats right lets keeping voting Lab/con.great Idea

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Tactical voting to try and keep the Tories out MIGHT be the case in Kemp Town and Hove (where I can't see the Greens winning in either case), but the Greens have been consistently the largest party in Pavilion constituency for the past three years.

The Greens are the largest party within the Pavilion constituency on the council (Green 12, Conservative 6, Labour 5), and they won the popular vote in the Euro elections in Brighton. I don't think it's a tactical vote - I think much of the 'left-wing' vote has already gone to the Greens.

Of course the figures they quote in the Independent are open to some interpretation, and I knew the Greens were popular, but I didn't realise that the lead was as much as 8 points.

I think they have a chance of taking KT along with Pav (deffo) , Hove will go to the Tories unless the Labour vote collapses and they switch en masse to the Greens who unexpectedly win the seat with a very small majority.

 

[BLOCK F]

Yes thats right lets keeping voting Lab/con.great Idea

Coventry Gull, you can vote for who you want.Just don't be too disappointed when the Greens and/or other minority fringe parties do not register too many votes!

 

[coventrygull]

Coventry Gull, you can vote for who you want.Just don't be too disappointed when the Greens and/or other minority fringe parties do not register too many votes!

Don't think the lib/lab/con scum alliance will register too many. To be honest I think the turnout will be low