Gordon Brown - Out of Order

[User removed 4]

Im also and ex serviceman, with friends in Afghanistan and Iraq. Its still feck all to do with you.

i also very much doubt the veracity of your claims since we are no longer in iraq.

 

[drew]

Its an excuse , if his eyesight is that bad then why is he having no fiurther treatment ?

BBC NEWS | Politics | Minor retinal tears in PM's eye

Where exactly in the article you refer to does it state he requires treatment to either improve or stabilise his current condition? The bloke is blind in one eye and has 30% sight in his other. In that condition, would you undertake surgery on what you have left if no one is saying your eyesight is deteriorating further.

Do you work for the Sun by any chance!

 

[daveinprague]

i also very much doubt the veracity of your claims since we are no longer in iraq.

Are you seriously saying there are no British troops still in Iraq?
Really

 

[User removed 4]

Are you seriously saying there are no British troops still in Iraq?
Really

enlighten me, im obviously wrong .

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Are you seriously saying there are no British troops still in Iraq?
Really

BBC NEWS | UK | UK troops in Iraq moved to Kuwait

 

[daveinprague]

there are British signals in Baghdad working with the American forces still, and thats just the ones I know about, apparently RAF signals also

 

[CHAPPERS]

Hey Bushy, are you going to find something that states that Gordon Brown could undergo surgery to improve his eyesight or are you going to maintain that he refuses to do so to excuse him from being able to write 'correctly'?

 

[User removed 4]

lol @ ex serving member...

Whats the alternative, ex non-serving member?

No, the alternative is current serving member, I would've thought you'd be familar with the term, obviously not.

 

[User removed 4]

Hey Bushy, are you going to find something that states that Gordon Brown could undergo surgery to improve his eyesight or are you going to maintain that he refuses to do so to excuse him from being able to write 'correctly'?

Hey chappers, are you going to show me where i "maintain that he refuses to do so to excuse him from
being able to write 'correctly' ?

 

[User removed 4]

there are British signals in Baghdad working with the American forces still, and thats just the ones I know about, apparently RAF signals also

apparently ? so now its just conjecture ? what about this , anyway ?

BBC NEWS | UK | UK troops in Iraq moved to Kuwait

 

[CHAPPERS]

Hey chappers, are you going to show me where i "maintain that he refuses to do so to excuse him from
being able to write 'correctly' ?

Hey Bushy, I got it from here

''Its an excuse , if his eyesight is that bad then why is he having no fiurther treatment ?''

 

[User removed 4]

Hey Bushy, I got it from here

''Its an excuse , if his eyesight is that bad then why is he having no fiurther treatment ?''

Hey chappers, the post reads that if his eyesight is that bad then why is he having no further surgery ?

 

[CHAPPERS]

Well if I've got the wrong end of the stick them I aplogise.

I don't think I have though.

 

[User removed 4]

Well if I've got the wrong end of the stick them I aplogise.

I don't think I have though.

fucks sake mate , its a bit of banter, no need to apologise !!

 

[CHAPPERS]

Okay!

 

[daveinprague]

apparently ? so now its just conjecture ? what about this , anyway ?

BBC NEWS | UK | UK troops in Iraq moved to Kuwait

What about it There are still British personel in theatre. To suggest there isnt, is, well. Stupid. Really. They are not in offensive combat roles, but they are still there.

'As part of the future relationship, the Iraqis have suggested that they would like us to continue to provide specialist military training in Baghdad, and to the Iraqi Navy at Umm Qasr. This would see up to 400 UK Service personnel remain in Iraq after July.'

 

[CHAPPERS]

Hey Bushy! One more thing, I've been reading the transcipts of the conversation and Brown does not use his disability as an excuse, not once.

Jacqui Janes: The letter that you wrote to me, Mr Brown ...

Gordon Brown: Yes ...

JJ: I don't want to sound disrespectful here, but it was an insult to my child. There was 25 spelling mistakes – 25.

GB: There wasn't ... I did write the letter because I was concerned about the death of your son, and I don't think what I said in it was disrespectful at all.

JJ: I never said it was disrespectful. The spelling mistakes are disrespectful ... the fact you named me Mrs James was disrespectful.

GB: I think I think I was trying to say Janes, as your right name. Maybe, maybe my writing looks bad, but I was trying to say your right name. And I spelt Jamie right, as I understand.

JJ: I beg to differ ... I cannot believe I have been brought down to the level of having an argument with the prime minister of my country.

GB: Please understand my good intentions, and I am very sorry you feel so strongly about the way I wrote the letter, but I hope that, on reflection, you'll understand that I have the greatest of sympathy for you and ...

JJ: I am not doubting that. I am not doubting the whole of the country has the greatest of sympathy for me. What I do know for a fact is that our soldiers out there– They should be out there by the way, I do truly believe that in my heart of hearts, the troops should be out there. We do need more troops out there, for a start, we do need the helicopters out there. That's a fact. I know for a fact of certain different pilots working out of Kandahar that on some occasions there is only one Casevac [casualty evacuation] helicopter available ...

GB: Well, OK, OK – I don't want to argue with you, because I want to actually pass on my condolences and I want to assure you that, although you've taken some offence against a letter I've written, I've tried to reflect my personal sadness at the loss of your son and I don't want to have any argument with you about it ...

JJ: Mr Brown, to this day, I know as fact helping my sons buy equipment themselves before they went to, to war. I know of every mother, the letters I have received off mothers ... in Iraq, in Afghanistan, you know, friends of mine that were killed in Northern Ireland. I know that our government is letting our troops down, big time.

GB: But I'm sorry. I would not send anybody abroad unless I felt that they were properly equipped and, er, what I have told the army chiefs [is] that we cannot send people abroad unless we can properly equip them ...


...


GB: I am sorry ... I don't think I did have spelling mistakes. My writing is maybe so badly [inaudible] that you can't read it and I'm sorry.

But I have tried to write honestly and honourably about the contributions your son made and ... [inaudible] can't be read. I know from colleagues James was a brave, selfless professional soldier held in the highest regard.

JJ: I don't need anyone to tell me how brave my son was. My son paid the ultimate, ultimate sacrifice.

GB: I'm sorry that I can't, I can't satisfy you, but I have tried my best to show you this evening that if there's been some misunderstanding about how my ...

JJ: I do appreciate your taking the time to phone me, but I'm afraid we are going to have to disagree ... I know every injury that my child sustained that day. I know that my son could have survived, but my son bled to death. How would you like it if one of your children, God forbid, went to a war doing something that he thought, where he was helping protect Queen and country and because of lack, lack of helicopters, lack of equipment, your child bled to death and then you had the coroner have to tell you his every injury? Do you understand, Mr Brown? Lack of equipment ...


...


JJ: Even army hierarchy are retiring and telling you what is going wrong and still you send 500 more troops, not the 2,000 needed ...

GB: Nobody was asking for 2,000 more troops.

JJ: Really?

GB: Yes. Nobody was asking for 2,000 troops. There are 9,000, 9,100, there at the moment, increasing to 9,500. The chiefs of staff are not asking for it to go up to 11,000 or 11,500. I have to tell you that honestly.

Whatever information you've been given, that is not correct. But I don't want to interact in a political debate about this ...

 

[NMH]

Sadly for that Mother, nothing can take away her pain of loss, and she's wildly looking around at the slightest distraction or target for her frustration. Anger for Gordon Brown is otherwise misplaced, in the context of his letter of condolence.

He's perhaps not the best at knowing what to say in response, but it look as though he can't say anything to appease her.

Sad for both party, but then he's a politician and PM, so it's part of his profession like it or not.

 

[London Calling]

you have to wonder when this type of circus will end.

Will it be a wounded soldier, whose final act was to phone up No 10 to tell the PM he is a useless ****?

This story, the McCann actions and saga are just gradually dragging this country down to gutter politics and with that a gutter society.

 

[User removed 4]

Hey Bushy! One more thing, I've been reading the transcipts of the conversation and Brown does not use his disability as an excuse, not once.

Hey Chappers ! I didnt say HE used it as an excuse, i said his APOLOGISTS did.



or thats what i meant anyway