General Election 2015

[Stato]

Personally, I think the abandoning of clause 4 in 1995 was the end of meaningful socialism in the UK, since that point the Labour Party sold out to the capitalists and monetarists. Just look at Blair now, some man of the people he is.

I am only referring to new British citizens, of which there has been a significant increase in recent years. This new constituency of British citizenry have all the rights of their native counterparts. There is not much data on the performance of this group because they are now lumped in with the natives, which is the point. There is data from 2013 that indicates there are just shy of 8m resident (legally) in the UK who were not born here.

That is the real number, and I don't doubt there are benefits to be had from this influx of labour. But who benefits..............employers, capitalists and monetarists.

For the British working class this influx 8m workers that they have to compete with in all aspects of their lives has been disastrous on a number of levels, not least wages.

Yvette Cooper was one of he architects of this disaster and now wants to show that she can be trusted with the stable door.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/01/uk-workers-unprotected-migration-labour-cooper

You keep peddling the "benefits" of free market economics, we can see what you are........a Tory shill.

If you are going to bother researching to back up your point, why add the pathetic sockpuppet trolling? Have the bravery to admit that the only type of socialism you are advocating is national socialism.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Well wars need money, banks lend money, Blair is removed from office, a bank that made a shed load of cash (J.P. Morgan) pays Blair 2m a year to be an "adviser" . Meanwhile Mrs Blair fills her pockets fighting human rights cases against her husbands decisions/government.
So with Tone and wifey well set up, in steps McBroon and the rest of the Scottish Raj, bailing out the Royal Bank of Scotland, Brown bailing out the Clydesdale Bank which is in his own constituency. Moving military shipping projects north of the border.
Another few years in power and Scotland would have voted Yes imo.
Brown then knows after being outed by the Tories that Scotland were not quite ready for independence, and what with Labour in for a trouncing in Scotland from the SNP, if there is independence, which Brown feels they are not ready for....he campaigns for the No vote.

Disgusting people mate. Look what Labour help create in this country. I hate that party and everything they stand for.

 

[cunning fergus]

If you are going to bother researching to back up your point, why add the pathetic sockpuppet trolling? Have the bravery to admit that the only type of socialism you are advocating is national socialism.

I made my point Margaret.

If an uncontrolled Labour market was (and had been) in the social and financial interests of the British working class then the Labour Party today would be advocating more of the same "policy" now.

But, they are not; instead, now they are in opposition, they want to add some control, or at least give the electorate (or at least the British working class) the impression that they want to add some control to the labour market.

If of course you know better and can prove instead that an uncontrolled labour markert works against the interests of capitalists and to the benefit of the British working class (and poor), then by all means I am a happy to be a fully paid up member of the National Socialist Party..............along with Yvette Cooper, Peter Shore, Dennis Skinner, Neil Kinnock, Michael Foot, Tony Benn, Bob Crow et al.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Sure, these are the official statistics, which are themselves only estimates........

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migra...stics-quarterly-report/august-2014/index.html

General headlines are that there are 7.8m in the UK who were not born in the UK, of which 4.9m are not British Nationals.

Reference is also made to 3.2m British Nationals who were not born in UK.

Of course there will be a margin of error here, but conservatively these numbers would indicate 2.5-3m JCLs (not sure if that would includes minors).

You can maybe strike one off the difference in 6 years time as I might get myself a new nationality. I don't care for nationality but I think it will be fun to change and show how pointless it is.

 

[cunning fergus]

You can maybe strike one off the difference in 6 years time as I might get myself a new nationality. I don't care for nationality but I think it will be fun to change and show how pointless it is.

We have been here before HT and I know you have that outlook about nationalites, which is fine by me as you advocate that disposition openly.

What does not make sense given that view is that you continue to say you support the Labour Party who still purport to work in the interests of Britain and the British working class (or at least that is what they say).

Given that the Greens are ideolically opposed to the organs of nation states and represent in their political aims that they would work to dismantle the British national state, surely you would find your political nirvana with them?

Kind of makes this thread and all the others you start about Ed and the Labour Party a nonsense.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

We have been here before HT and I know you have that outlook about nationalites, which is fine by me as you advocate that disposition openly.

What does not make sense given that view is that you continue to say you support the Labour Party who still purport to work in the interests of Britain and the British working class (or at least that is what they say).

Given that the Greens are ideolically opposed to the organs of nation states and represent in their political aims that they would work to dismantle the British national state, surely you would find your political nirvana with them?

Kind of makes this thread and all the others you start about Ed and the Labour Party a nonsense.

There are various other parties which I probably have closer overall views with, one of them was the Liberal Democrats last election, but I vote practically and for all their faults (and there are many) I believe the best option for a fairer* deal for UK citizens in general is by voting for the Labour Party. They are the only party with views similar to mine which has any chance of power in the UK so they have to get in as far as I'm concerned.

* note I say fairer, and not fair...I understand and appreciate they ain't perfect but they're better than the Tories

 

[jimbob5]

The OP title is embarrassingly unfunny.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Look what Labour help create in this country. I hate that party and everything they stand for.

Like formation of the NHS and introduction of the minimum wage you mean?

 

[Stato]

We have been here before HT and I know you have that outlook about nationalites, which is fine by me as you advocate that disposition openly.

What does not make sense given that view is that you continue to say you support the Labour Party who still purport to work in the interests of Britain and the British working class (or at least that is what they say).

Given that the Greens are ideolically opposed to the organs of nation states and represent in their political aims that they would work to dismantle the British national state, surely you would find your political nirvana with them?

Kind of makes this thread and all the others you start about Ed and the Labour Party a nonsense.

I have had a skim through your posting history and found that your only posts on this board are about immigration, the threat from Islam, UKIP's importance and the reasons why European nationalists fought with the nazis in WWII. I spotted one post about football in a year and that post was about, guess what? foreigners in British football.

It is blatantly obvious that you have no interest in the Albion and are just on this board to sow discontent and stir up arguments about race. I seem to recall that it was a stated tactic of the the BNP to infiltrate football message boards in order to seek recruits. If you have taken it upon yourself to continue this tactic on behalf of the decimated far right, I suggest you give it up because you are just not very good at infiltrating.

Crawl back and suck up to Farage. He wants nothing to do with you either, but he's all you have left now the EDL & BNP have turned their jealousy, ignorance, frustration and bitterness on themselves.

 

[Titanic]

Latest YouGov Poll (18 - 19 Jan):
CON - 32% (+1)
LAB - 32% (-)
UKIP - 15% (-3)
LDEM - 8% (+1)
GRN - 7% (-)

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Latest YouGov Poll (18 - 19 Jan):
CON - 32% (+1)
LAB - 32% (-)
UKIP - 15% (-3)
LDEM - 8% (+1)
GRN - 7% (-)

This looks wrong to me.

 

[Titanic]

This looks wrong to me.

http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/6s0ppk6ajx/YG-Archive-Pol-Sun-results-190115.pdf

 

[cunning fergus]

I have had a skim through your posting history and found that your only posts on this board are about immigration, the threat from Islam, UKIP's importance and the reasons why European nationalists fought with the nazis in WWII. I spotted one post about football in a year and that post was about, guess what? foreigners in British football.

It is blatantly obvious that you have no interest in the Albion and are just on this board to sow discontent and stir up arguments about race. I seem to recall that it was a stated tactic of the the BNP to infiltrate football message boards in order to seek recruits. If you have taken it upon yourself to continue this tactic on behalf of the decimated far right, I suggest you give it up because you are just not very good at infiltrating.

Crawl back and suck up to Farage. He wants nothing to do with you either, but he's all you have left now the EDL & BNP have turned their jealousy, ignorance, frustration and bitterness on themselves.

Well well, Tory boy, you certainly had all your Weet-a-bix this morning didn’t you?

As for my interest in the Albion I don’t need to justify my loyalty to you or anyone else for that matter. Those who know me know and I am happy with that.

As for my posts, I don’t feel the need to add to the different arguments on drums, chants, scarfs, pies, JCLs, parking and the 1901 club because typically someone has provided a view similar to mine, a situation which is not always the case on this type of thread. Hence I add my grist to the mill...............je suis Charlie.

You however are a hysterical reactionary, searching for the grassy knolls where there are none just because I have made a challenging opposing view to your own dyed in the wool Tory principles which you didn't realise you had.

So, back to the point Margaret, how are the British working class benefitting from this uncontrolled labour market you advocate with such aplomb……………your people are waiting.

 

[cunning fergus]

There are various other parties which I probably have closer overall views with, one of them was the Liberal Democrats last election, but I vote practically and for all their faults (and there are many) I believe the best option for a fairer* deal for UK citizens in general is by voting for the Labour Party. They are the only party with views similar to mine which has any chance of power in the UK so they have to get in as far as I'm concerned.

* note I say fairer, and not fair...I understand and appreciate they ain't perfect but they're better than the Tories

Hmm, I can accept that Labour spending policy helped many people while they were in power, however the overall effect of these policies are still being felt not least by the working class that they abandonded (which they did). Given that both Eds’ were so close to the levers of power during this time means I cannot take either of them seriously. Until the Labour rids itself of politicians like Miliband and Balls they will struggle to get a grip…………….sadly given the power of the Blairites in the party I don’t see much coming through that will change direction either.

you dont need to take it from me, ask the Scots.

 

[Stato]

Well well, Tory boy, you certainly had all your Weet-a-bix this morning didn’t you?

As for my interest in the Albion I don’t need to justify my loyalty to you or anyone else for that matter. Those who know me know and I am happy with that.

As for my posts, I don’t feel the need to add to the different arguments on drums, chants, scarfs, pies, JCLs, parking and the 1901 club because typically someone has provided a view similar to mine, a situation which is not always the case on this type of thread. Hence I add my grist to the mill...............je suis Charlie.

You however are a hysterical reactionary, searching for the grassy knolls where there are none just because I have made a challenging opposing view to your own dyed in the wool Tory principles which you didn't realise you had.

So, back to the point Margaret, how are the British working class benefitting from this uncontrolled labour market you advocate with such aplomb……………your people are waiting.

Finally mentioning the Albion on an Albion messageboard. I must have touched a nerve.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Finally mentioning the Albion on an Albion messageboard. I must have touched a nerve.

Something's up, he has not included a single link in a post today

 

[Buzzer]

Something's up, he has not included a single link in a post today

That's a bit rich given your "wouldn't happen in Germany" obsession.

 

[Soulman]

That's a bit rich given your "wouldn't happen in Germany" obsession.

I don't understand why HT is so worried and keeps starting these pro Labour threads. Although i take an interest worldwide i would not be so obsessed about a country i did not live in.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

This looks wrong to me.

Lets balance it up with the ICM poll also published today
Lab 33%
Con 30%
UKIP 11%
LibDem 11%
Green 9%
Others 6%

 

[Titanic]

or the latest Lord Ashcroft National Poll:
Con 29%
Lab 28%
Ukip 15%
Green 11%
LibDem 9%
SNP 5%