EU and AstraZeneca

[Eeyore]

The wider issue here is the anger building up in other parts of the planet now. Various nations saying they cannot get hold of vaccine products due to bulk hoarding orders by richer nations. It was coming.

 

[RossyG]

The one thing i want to see is this sorted out pretty quickly. I am not great when it comes to needles/injections, I used to give blood and most times I had my eyes closed.... What is really pissing me off is that whenever a vaccine is talked about on TV news it has to be discussed with background shots and pictures of Joe Public being inoculated ... every bloody time !

Sometimes you will see three or four different people, old, young and ethnic minorities all being jabbed, FFS everyone over the age of five knows what an injection is and how it is done, we really don't need to see it endlessly happening.

Haha! I had the BCG at school and it was administered with a painless little staple-gun of a thing. I had hopes that this was the future for inoculations.

But every day on TV it's a dirty great Christiane F hypodermic syringe getting slammed into someone's arm.

 

[RossyG]

The wider issue here is the anger building up in other parts of the planet now. Various nations saying they cannot get hold of vaccine products due to bulk hoarding orders by richer nations. It was coming.

Just as predictable is that "vaccine poverty" will be the next buzzphrase used by journalists, campaigners, and politicians.

 

[Eeyore]

Just as predictable is that "vaccine poverty" will be the next buzzphrase used by journalists, campaigners, and politicians.

Pretty accurate phrasing.

 

[nicko31]

The wider issue here is the anger building up in other parts of the planet now. Various nations saying they cannot get hold of vaccine products due to bulk hoarding orders by richer nations. It was coming.

Yeap all Western countries are looking after this own interests, the EU, the US and Canada (enough vaccine for its population 4 times over)

In Guinea-Bissau they've vaccinated 25 people

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It was set for approval by today. That was expected last week. It's not news.

Disagree, the MHRA approved this vaccine on the 30th of December, we began inoculating on the 4th of Jan. It's taken the EMA an extra month to come to the same conclusion slowing down the rollout of a vaccine the EU are desperate to obtain and use ... probably costing lives.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

It would be useful to put your post into the context of whether or not you have had your vaccine ?


Fair enough if you don't want to say, but if you have been vaccinated you could perhaps understand those further back in the queue being a little less noble and a bit more angry about any EU vaccine grab ?

No, I haven’t. I’m 67, so I’m not expecting it quite yet.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Yeap all Western countries are looking after this own interests, the EU, the US and Canada (enough vaccine for its population 4 times over)

In Guinea-Bissau they've vaccinated 25 people

And once we have looked after our own interests we will (I hope and expect) move on to look after the poorer parts of the world who have not developed vaccines and can't afford to buy them. All this excess vaccine purchases won't be destroyed. Hopefully they will be distributed while the suppliers continue to ramp up production.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

No, I haven’t. I’m 67, so I’m not expecting it quite yet.

Fair play. You've a much more noble attitude than me with the EU trying to grab vaccines contracted for UK supply.

 

[Butch Willykins]

In Guinea-Bissau they've vaccinated 25 people

Sounds like they are doing better than the French!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

All jobs are “essential” Dave not just the ones you’re family do [emoji106]x


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Were you responding to the wrong post?

I take your point.......... but I am not sure that I would agree that an “influencer’s job is essential, unless it’s to provide other people with things to get annoyed about!

In terms of my family jobs, one daughter is a doctor, her partner a teacher. The other daughter works in an important role in the administration of the Welsh assembly, and her husband works for HMRC, where he is one of their senior people in terms of expertise on VAT on imports and exports - he is, to say the least, fairly busy and under a lot of pressure at the moment.

I say this not to make any sort of point - just out of interest.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

No, I haven’t. I’m 67, so I’m not expecting it quite yet.

Out of interest at what point do you think we should be pooling the vaccine supply and not prioritising Uk citizens?

Priority Risk group

1 Residents in a care home for older adults and staff working in care homes for older adults
2 All those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers
3 All those 75 years of age and over
4 All those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals (not including pregnant women and those under 16 years of age)
5 All those 65 years of age and over
6 Adults aged 16 to 65 years in an at-risk group (see clinical conditions below)
7 All those 60 years of age and over
8 All those 55 years of age and over
9 All those 50 years of age and over
10 Rest of the population (to be determined)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...id-19-vaccination-first-phase-priority-groups

Plus which country gets the doses?

 

[Rogero]

Yeah, but what are they putting in their vaccines?

Time will tell. You never know with a Chinese takeaway what is in it.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Out of interest at what point do you think we should be pooling the vaccine supply and not prioritising Uk citizens?

Priority Risk group

1 Residents in a care home for older adults and staff working in care homes for older adults
2 All those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers
3 All those 75 years of age and over
4 All those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals (not including pregnant women and those under 16 years of age)
5 All those 65 years of age and over
6 Adults aged 16 to 65 years in an at-risk group (see clinical conditions below)
7 All those 60 years of age and over
8 All those 55 years of age and over
9 All those 50 years of age and over
10 Rest of the population (to be determined)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...id-19-vaccination-first-phase-priority-groups

Plus which country gets the doses?

Well that’s not easy, is it.

With tongue in cheek, I would say as soon as I have had mine.

In all seriousness - and it’s never going to happen - some supranational or international organisation should be involved, but it would be ages in the setting, up, presumably, in less the WHO is a strong enough organisation to do it. Maybe the next Economic Forum should tackle it.

But I’m realistic enough to know that’s not going to happen.

On a UK basis, when the science experts told me it would be safe to do it....... I.e. those not yet vaccinated had minimal risk. Although I am unhappy about many of the decisions that have been made - or not made - to date, I am also aware there have been difficult decisions to make. I’m glad I haven’t got to make them

But I’m realistic enough to know it’s not going to happen

 

[Jim in the West]

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ow-the-uk-got-ahead-in-the-covid-vaccine-race

Interesting article in the Guardian - just published....

 

[vegster]

Haha! I had the BCG at school and it was administered with a painless little staple-gun of a thing. I had hopes that this was the future for inoculations.

But every day on TV it's a dirty great Christiane F hypodermic syringe getting slammed into someone's arm.

I didn't know that they were named ! I am tempted tonight to do a Jab Count Bingo when the BBC news comes on at 6.00 tonight, yesterdays had about 8-10 injection shots comfortably and then, when they handed over to Sally Taylor on South Today at 6.30, they instantly led with the vaccine rollout and helpfully showed another 4 people being injected just in case anyone was unaware of the delivery method !!!!!! FFS !

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Well that’s not easy, is it.

With tongue in cheek, I would say as soon as I have had mine.

In all seriousness - and it’s never going to happen - some supranational or international organisation should be involved, but it would be ages in the setting, up, presumably, in less the WHO is a strong enough organisation to do it. Maybe the next Economic Forum should tackle it.

But I’m realistic enough to know that’s not going to happen.

On a UK basis, when the science experts told me it would be safe to do it....... I.e. those not yet vaccinated had minimal risk. Although I am unhappy about many of the decisions that have been made - or not made - to date, I am also aware there have been difficult decisions to make. I’m glad I haven’t got to make them

But I’m realistic enough to know it’s not going to happen

Indeed, it's a laudable theoretical idea that brings about a nice altruistic inner glow but when it comes to the practicalities/making hard real-world choices it's unworkable.

Thanks for your honesty though!

 

[dsr-burnley]

Out of interest at what point do you think we should be pooling the vaccine supply and not prioritising Uk citizens?

Priority Risk group

1 Residents in a care home for older adults and staff working in care homes for older adults
2 All those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers
3 All those 75 years of age and over
4 All those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals (not including pregnant women and those under 16 years of age)
5 All those 65 years of age and over
6 Adults aged 16 to 65 years in an at-risk group (see clinical conditions below)
7 All those 60 years of age and over
8 All those 55 years of age and over
9 All those 50 years of age and over
10 Rest of the population (to be determined)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...id-19-vaccination-first-phase-priority-groups

Plus which country gets the doses?

Good question.

My idea would be to vaccinate all of the UK first to hopefully marginalise the disease here, and then to make about a billion spare vaccines (enough for 10% of the world two doses) to vaccinate the poorer countries of the Commonwealth and other needy ex-colonies. Starting with those with more or less useable infrastructure who can be more or less trusted not to sell the stuff for the benefit of the politicians.

Other countries can be expected to "adopt" their own "poor relations", hopefully. Australia in the Pacific, USA and Spain all over Central/South America, and so forth.

 

[Rogero]

In Shoreham the over 70s start vaccinations this weekend.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Well that’s not easy, is it.

With tongue in cheek, I would say as soon as I have had mine.

In all seriousness - and it’s never going to happen - some supranational or international organisation should be involved, but it would be ages in the setting, up, presumably, in less the WHO is a strong enough organisation to do it. Maybe the next Economic Forum should tackle it.

But I’m realistic enough to know that’s not going to happen.

On a UK basis, when the science experts told me it would be safe to do it....... I.e. those not yet vaccinated had minimal risk. Although I am unhappy about many of the decisions that have been made - or not made - to date, I am also aware there have been difficult decisions to make. I’m glad I haven’t got to make them

But I’m realistic enough to know it’s not going to happen

Simple fact is those that live in the country who developed it, made it and paid for it will always be the first to use it. Could you imagine the shitstorm if people were dying in this country who could have had the vaccine but it was given to someone in Africa.

All in an ideal World everyone would be getting it.