Dwain Chambers, Should he be allowed to run in the olympics

[Nibble]

He should not be allowed to run because

a-he is black
b- he is a criminal

(which pretty much means the same thing)

 

[Easy 10]

this is a dangerous president.

 

[Easy 10]

The only difference between Christie and Chambers was that Chambers put his hands up and admitted the extent of his drug taking. He didn't need to do that and ultimately he has suffered from his honesty.

The words "honesty" and Chambers" in the same sentence, I've seen it all now. When he was found guilty, Chambers continued to deny, protest and lied. It was only in the face of irrefutable evidence that he (eventually) admitted to it and then opened the floodgates on the cocktail of drugs he'd been taking. Well that was BIG of him wasn't it, considering he'd been concealing it for years and then still lied about it when he got found out.

I'm not saying Christie is whiter than white either (no pun intended), he may well have done the same, I dunno. Christies career was already winding down and all but over by that time, he's not trying to weasel his way into the current Olympics, so its barely relevent any more.

Anyway, the fact remains, Chambers has permanently increased his muscle capacity and potential through use of steroids, so he can never be fully "clean" again, and should therefore never represent GB again. I will not alter my opinion on this.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I'm 100% with Easy on this. I do not want to see Chambers in a GB vest, at the Olympics or any other event.

 

[algie]

The words "honesty" and Chambers" in the same sentence, I've seen it all now. When he was found guilty, Chambers continued to deny, protest and lied. It was only in the face of irrefutable evidence that he (eventually) admitted to it and then opened the floodgates on the cocktail of drugs he'd been taking. Well that was BIG of him wasn't it, considering he'd been concealing it for years and then still lied about it when he got found out.

I'm not saying Christie is whiter than white either (no pun intended), he may well have done the same, I dunno. Christies career was already winding down and all but over by that time, he's not trying to weasel his way into the current Olympics, so its barely relevent any more.

Anyway, the fact remains, Chambers has permanently increased his muscle capacity and potential through use of steroids, so he can never be fully "clean" again, and should therefore never represent GB again. I will not alter my opinion on this.

How i wish he wins a medal at the olympics and then sticks his fingers up at the media and the public who have hounded him so bitterly.
Come on Dwanye,get on that Podium for Easy 10 and Britain
.

 

[Easy 10]

That would be an embarrassment. Chambers competing would be bad enough, but if he actually won a medal as well, it would remove the last few shreds of credibility this sport is clinging to, and would just serve to further alienate the public from bothering with athletics at all.

 

[Knotty]

The words "honesty" and Chambers" in the same sentence, I've seen it all now. When he was found guilty, Chambers continued to deny, protest and lied. It was only in the face of irrefutable evidence that he (eventually) admitted to it and then opened the floodgates on the cocktail of drugs he'd been taking. Well that was BIG of him wasn't it, considering he'd been concealing it for years and then still lied about it when he got found out.

I'm not saying Christie is whiter than white either (no pun intended), he may well have done the same, I dunno. Christies career was already winding down and all but over by that time, he's not trying to weasel his way into the current Olympics, so its barely relevent any more.

Anyway, the fact remains, Chambers has permanently increased his muscle capacity and potential through use of steroids, so he can never be fully "clean" again, and should therefore never represent GB again. I will not alter my opinion on this.

Agree with all of that.

 

[Yoda]

Chambers wasnt exactly open and honest - he took them a while before he was caught. The ONLY thing in his favour is the fact that othre athletes are treated differently which simply isn't right. But I think we've got to make everyone do the lifetime ban.

Rubbish!

Tim Montgomery was found guilty of fraud & dealing in heroin too and Marion Jones pled guilty to lying to federal agents and grand juries. That's why they were treated differently.

 

[Knotty]

How i wish he wins a medal at the olympics and then sticks his fingers up at the media and the public who have hounded him so bitterly.
Come on Dwanye,get on that Podium for Easy 10 and Britain
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You appear to have a very twisted sense of right and wrong.

He stuck his fingers up at the public and, worst of all, his fellow competitors, when he decided to cheat. It wasn't a mistake or a one-off bad decision, it was a long and concerted effort to cheat and only when his back was really against the wall did he confess everything.

But in your world that's fine..unbelievable.

 

[Easy 10]

Loads of international sprint athletes are on perfomance enhancing drugs, Chambers had to take the drugs just to put himself on a level playing field with his competitors. The only mistake he made was getting caught, and what he did gave him no unfair advantage.

You're not really being serious here. Are you ?

If so, I guess you are advocating that all the regulations be scrapped, and ALL athletes should just simply be permitted to take all the performance-enhancing drugs they want, in order to "level" the playing field ?

 

[nwgull]

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Anyway, the fact remains, Chambers has permanently increased his muscle capacity and potential through use of steroids, so he can never be fully "clean" again, and should therefore never represent GB again. I will not alter my opinion on this.

Taking steroids does NOT permanently increase muscle mass, you have to continue using them in regular cycles to maintain any mass built beyond your natural limits. Any residual strength advantage Chambers had will have gone within a year. Why do you think the IAAF doesn't have longer bans? People are too quick to give opinonated views on doping without really knowing much about it.

 

[algie]

You appear to have a very twisted sense of right and wrong.

He stuck his fingers up at the public and, worst of all, his fellow competitors, when he decided to cheat. It wasn't a mistake or a one-off bad decision, it was a long and concerted effort to cheat and only when his back was really against the wall did he confess everything.

But in your world that's fine..unbelievable.

Sorry matey it's you who's in the wrong.You,Easy 10, the media amongst others have constantly hounded a man who is now clean in a sport thats rife with drugs.Your trying to make a scapegoat out of him and i just pray he gets the right verdict today.
Ill give give another example Ben Jonhson.I believe he was allowed to continue once he served his ban.Hopefully Yoda will corect me if i'm wrong.

 

[Nibble]

Muscle mass will disappear if you don't maintain excercise or stop using steroids. It is biologically the same as muscle built by natural working out and will atrophy as any muscle would.

 

[nwgull]

You're not really being serious here. Are you ?

If so, I guess you are advocating that all the regulations be scrapped, and ALL athletes should just simply be permitted to take all the performance-enhancing drugs they want, in order to "level" the playing field ?

Other than the testers being ahead of the drug manufacturers (which is unlikely to ever happen), this is the only way that athletics would ever be fair. Obviously this could never be condoned due to potential health risks so we have to accept that it will never be a level playing field. We could at least make any bans consistent throughout the world though, at least all athletes would have similar incentive to run clean.

 

[Easy 10]

I'm not a phycisist, I can't even spell it.
But I'm just going by what I've read. Obviously excercise has to be maintained in order to maintain muscle mass - but the muscle mass potential is (apparently) enhanced beyond what would be "naturally" possible otherwise.

 

[Yoda]

Ill give give another example Ben Jonhson.I believe he was allowed to continue once he served his ban.Hopefully Yoda will corect me if i'm wrong.

He was, but was rubbish and was found to be taking them again two years later and THEN banned for life. Which is how it is still done now.

 

[Yoda]

I'm not a phycisist, I can't even spell it.
But I'm just going by what I've read. Obviously excercise has to be maintained in order to maintain muscle mass - but the muscle mass potential is (apparently) enhanced beyond what would be "naturally" possible otherwise.

Correct, and if you stop taking those drugs, the musle mass returns to the maximum it can be "naturally".

 

[nwgull]

I'm not a phycisist, I can't even spell it.
But I'm just going by what I've read. Obviously excercise has to be maintained in order to maintain muscle mass - but the muscle mass potential is (apparently) enhanced beyond what would be "naturally" possible otherwise.

Correct, but any enhanced potential goes when you stop doing regular cycles of drugs. Any 'unatural' mass would soon deplete even with continued high intensity training.

 

[Easy 10]

Thats not what I've read. The muscle has been expanded beyond its natural state, and can RETURN to that heightened state with intensive excercise.

 

[clippedgull]

he has lost his bid to get the ban overturned