Diane Abbott MP.... Racist?

[Billy the Fish]

You think a women can forget being wronged 20 years back....... you must be a young un Billy.

Bugger, kind of blows that one out the water doesn't it.

 

[User removed 4]

So employment discrimination only exists towards white people and any employment discrimination towards ethnic minorities is imagined?

In the main i'd pretty much say thats the case, but i'd lean more to the side of blacks imagining discrimination, there isnt a s much positive discriminatin here as in the states for example.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

In the main i'd pretty much say thats the case, but i'd lean more to the side of blacks imagining discrimination, there isnt a s much positive discriminatin here as in the states for example.

I'm disappointed in you Bushy, you can troll more subtly than that. You just don't put in the effort any any more.

 

[User removed 4]

I'm disappointed in you Bushy, you can troll more subtly than that. You just don't put in the effort any any more.

Sadly for you i'm not trolling, you really think that people are discriminated AGAINST in the job mkt due to being black ?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Sadly for you i'm not trolling, you really think that people are discriminated AGAINST in the job mkt due to being black ?

My son went for a job - they had a recruitment day with a series of tasks. All the black candidates were dropped during the course of the day. Could be co-incidence.

 

[User removed 4]

My son went for a job - they had a recruitment day with a series of tasks. All the black candidates were dropped during the course of the day. Could be co-incidence.

Are you inferring it wasnt ? what was the job ? how many went for the job , how many black candidates were there ?

 

[Tom Bombadil]

See now you're getting more convincing Bushy. Stick to the argument and keep a straight face and someone might bite. It would help if you hadn't picked such a silly statement in the first place though.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

And Diane Abbott never struck me as the sharpest pencil in the case. Credit to her for arriving in the corridors of Westminster though.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Are you inferring it wasnt ? what was the job ? how many went for the job , how many black candidates were there ?

My son described it. It was a tele-sales type job. I think they recruited ten - and I am not sure how many they started with.

I have no proof that was the case - to my son it looked a bit suspicious. But it may have been done on telephone manner and qualifications.

I would think it goes on. I would think in other situations it may be easier if you are from a minority. Would it be such a shock ?

 

[User removed 4]

See now you're getting more convincing Bushy. Stick to the argument and keep a straight face and someone might bite. It would help if you hadn't picked such a silly statement in the first place though.

I never, ever, have a prioblem keeping a straight face with your posts.

 

[User removed 4]

My son described it. It was a tele-sales type job. I think they recruited ten - and I am not sure how many they started with.

I have no proof that was the case - to my son it looked a bit suspicious. But it may have been done on telephone manner and qualifications.

I would think it goes on. I would think in other situations it may be easier if you are from a minority. Would it be such a shock ?

Exactly, immediately the inference is that it was race related , as you say it was a telesales job, whereabouts was the job ? If it was sussex , lets assume 30 went for it, they picked ten and out of the 30 there were 3 blacks who didnt get picked, why would that be so suspicious ? assuming those sort of numbers are similar to the actual ones.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Exactly, immediately the inference is that it was race related , as you say it was a telesales job, whereabouts was the job ? If it was sussex , lets assume 30 went for it, they picked ten and out of the 30 there were 3 blacks who didnt get picked, why would that be so suspicious ? assuming those sort of numbers are similar to the actual ones.

Well it was London as it happens. I do not know the breakdown - it seemed race related to my lad.

 

[User removed 4]

Well it was London as it happens. I do not know the breakdown - it seemed race related to my lad.

Well we'll never know, who can say for certain, it does strike me that people who are brought up in the country seem to be super sensitive on race issues , sometimes even to the point of being embarassed about even saying the word black, this isnt meant as a dig, just as an observation, anyway i'm out of here soon , have a good weekend !

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Some people are super sensitive, and some people need to be more sensitive (no dig intended). And yep - have a good weekend.

 

[sir albion]

Nonsense.

Have I completely imagined it but didn't Baron Taylor of Warwick get imprisoned for fiddling his expenses ?

Hardly as serious but Keith Vaz was also suspended from the House of Commons.

Its not nonsense at all,blacks like i said many times are well protected in our society and this government for some daft reason seem petrified of being called racist.

Are you black by any chance?

 

[Questions]

And Diane Abbott never struck me as the sharpest pencil in the case. Credit to her for arriving in the corridors of Westminster though.

Once they`d widened them it was easy.

I hope that is not taken out of context.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

I disagree. She said that all white people are colonialists, greedy people who like to divide and rule in order to exploit and steal the wealth of other countries. That's not a nice characteristic, but its what white people do. Abbott thinks whites are inherently morally inferior to blacks.

It cannot be deduced from her tweets alone whether Diane Abbott thinks whites are inherently morally inferior for blacks. It can't for the simple reason that Abbott was not having a morality conversation with Bim Adewunmi. If she had said something along the lines of "white people love playing 'divide and rule'. The scoundrels will never change", I would entirely agree with you because that would be a morality conversation. Instead, what is moral or not formed no part of Abbott's judgement.

She went into a very different direction, one where moral labels such as right, wrong, good, bad and evil did not come into play. In her tweets she was concerning herself purely with what was effective. This included suggesting that black people not make themselves vulnerable to winning strategies such as divide and rule. As a further sign that morality formed no basis of her consideration, she even advocated being less than open and truthful about political divisions as a contributing factor to producing results ("ethnic communities that show more public solidarity & unity than black people do much better #dontwashdirtylineninpublic").

In short: no morality conversation means she's not making any moral judgements on any race.

 

[Brovion]

It cannot be deduced from her tweets alone whether Diane Abbott thinks whites are inherently morally inferior for blacks. It can't for the simple reason that Abbott was not having a morality conversation with Bim Adewunmi. If she had said something along the lines of "white people love playing 'divide and rule'. The scoundrels will never change", I would entirely agree with you because that would be a morality conversation. Instead, what is moral or not formed no part of Abbott's judgement.

She went into a very different direction, one where moral labels such as right, wrong, good, bad and evil did not come into play. In her tweets she was concerning herself purely with what was effective. This included suggesting that black people not make themselves vulnerable to winning strategies such as divide and rule. As a further sign that morality formed no basis of her consideration, she even advocated being less than open and truthful about political divisions as a contributing factor to producing results ("ethnic communities that show more public solidarity & unity than black people do much better #dontwashdirtylineninpublic").

In short: no morality conversation means she's not making any moral judgements on any race.

That is a very reasoned argument - but I disagree, I don't think it needs a 'scoundrels' caveat at all for it to be a moral judgment. The moral inference was quite clear, especially given Abbott's 'previous' in the field of race relations. We're the baddies, she's made that plain.

I wasn't going to come back to this thread (especially as it HAS degenerated into a bit of a binfest which is a shame), but it's a subject that is still bugging me. I said on one of my earlier posts that I was genuinely offended by Abbott's comment, and I do seem to be the only one. And that isn't from any sense of faux outrage ("Oh goody, the boot's on the other foot for once") but more because I used to be a huge fan of Abbott's when she first came into politics, for a while I'd have said she was my favourite MP. However the evidence against her has mounted, both her un-socialist approach to life and the growing body of her anti-white utterings. This was the final straw, despite everything we on the liberal left have done she still thinks all white people are closet neo-colonialists and casual racists.

I'm reminded of an article by Julie Burchill where she said that all Animal Rights activists are disillusioned former anti-racist campaigners. They move onto campaigning for animals when they realise that far from being properly grateful non-white people still saw all whites as racist, from the National Front through to the SWP. "Animals are much safer, a whale is never going to spit in your eye and call you whitey". I know exactly what she was getting at now!

If someone like Lenny Henry had tweeted it instead of Abbott I'd have agreed with every word you wrote!

 

[daveinprague]

Think this was a lot of fuss over nothing. I dont know the background of her 'tweets' or what actual context they were placed. Simple words can look anything but when using the net sometimes. If it was racist, then somebody would have done something legally I would imagine. As ive not heard of anything, got to guess it was a storm in a teacup. For Noodles the strawman who appears to stalk my every words benefit, my 'few black mates' was the black South African family of 20 years that I married into, and formed KTL which was the foremost black soundsystem south of London for over 20 years, playing to the black (and white) community in Brighton and black communities in South London, NW London, Nottingham, Birmingham, Leeds, Bristol etc.... I have more than a few black mates. Do I think that gives me a better insight than you? Yes.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

.........properly grateful........

Ingrates, the lot of them.