cycle of violence

[Return of the Rev]

I can only see the palace v brighton games having increased levels of violence from now on,the policing was crazy! escorting palace fans into the centre of brighton,the letting palace roam at will.
Looks like a whole new generation have got the taste for this unsavoury behaviour with many more wanting to be a part of the next instalment.
I fear the police and club have let the genie out the bottle by not getting to grips with the first meeting! I hope i'm wrong but if we remain in the same division for a few seasons its gonna get rocky!

 

[Hillian1]

I think you may have just hit the nail on the head Rev.

Crazy decision to allow non-segregation, I appreciate the "treat them like humans and they will behave like humans" reasoning but this was Palace, It was always going to have an edge to it.

Personally I used Park and ride on Tuesday to avoid the trains but walking past the South at the end was like going back in time 20 years.

 

[Gritt23]

I think we have naively believed the modern age, and look of stadiums has brought with it a new modern fan. Nice surroundings, nice food, comfy seats, ambiant lighting, and you'll get the more cultured side out of fans. Ideas like opening up the concourses after the games for fans to mingle etc.

All very nice ideas, and for the bulk of games this will work perfectly well, but, when it comes to certain games (Palace / Pompey / Cardiff / Millwall / West Ham) then different rules need to apply, and I would suggest that the reality is an old skool "lock-in". Keep the away fans of those 4 clubs back for 20-30 mins until we've had a couple of trains in each direction, and a plethora of buses, then the home fans have dispersed, and trouble is averted.

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

This 'lock in' thing keeps rearing it's head, i'm not sure it's legal, human rights and all that bollocks, If it was up to me i'd have done the Galatassaraay/Fenebahche and kept em locked in til 3am

 

[Hunting 784561]

Kumbaya policing was never going to work for that game was it ?

Naive in the extreme.

 

[Littlehampton Palace]

Seems that only the one way out is daft aswell,Ii know they have the car park and bus stops but they need more exit roads and offer bus pick up points for away fans taking them back to Brighton station so at least some segregation could be possible.
I cant believe when Millwall come down or West ham it will pass without trouble, plssed up and passionate young football fans
come out after a game highly charged so there's bound to be flash points, I saw older Palace fans acting like they were 25 again giving large, that all said imagin if the option of keeping everyone in is adopted,
that way you would have hoards of aways leaving at the same time!! where as now they leave in a trickle, making it possible for the Bha casual mob to pick a few off as they clearly did outside Tues.

 

[e77]

I think this is becoming a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy in as much as people are now expecting trouble to happen which in the minds of some justifies doing it.

 

[Half Man Half Biscuit]

The way to avoid pretty much all trouble is to make the Palace match a "bubble game". It causes maximum inconvenience to away fans, and it's by no means ideal. They have them in Holland for high risk games; fans have to board a coach at their own ground and pick up tickets, usually at a service station, en route on the day of the match. I'm personally against the idea, but then I'm not exactly thrilled to hear stories of stone throwing into large groups of innocent fans gathered at the station, either. Hooligans fighting one another is one thing and, like it or not, that will always happen. When innocent fans get caught up in that nonsense, it becomes a wider issue that needs sorting out.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The hostility was ratcheted up to an unacceptable level on Tuesday and I do put a lot of the blame for that at the door of the Palace fans who has been on the wind up for months on here with threads of absolute lies about everything to do with the club and just generally causing bad feeling. Sure we did the same on their site but they made sure as hell it was going to kick off. We all knew it. It was so obvious.

 

[BRIGHT ON Q]

The way to avoid pretty much all trouble is to make the Palace match a "bubble game". It causes maximum inconvenience to away fans, and it's by no means ideal. They have them in Holland for high risk games; fans have to board a coach at their own ground and pick up tickets, usually at a service station, en route on the day of the match. I'm personally against the idea, but then I'm not exactly thrilled to hear stories of stone throwing into large groups of innocent fans gathered at the station, either. Hooligans fighting one another is one thing and, like it or not, that will always happen. When innocent fans get caught up in that nonsense, it becomes a wider issue that needs sorting out.

I think this happens with Leeds and Millwall.I think its the only way to go but what's to stop Palace fans coming down on the train with no ticket?.

 

[Albion Dan]

The club and everyone banging on here about treat them well and they'll behave were always completely DELUDED. It was never going to be that way and never ever will be likewise v Millwall, Cardiff, Pompey.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The hostility was ratcheted up to an unacceptable level on Tuesday and I do put a lot of the blame for that at the door of the Palace fans who has been on the wind up for months on here with threads of absolute lies about everything to do with the club and just generally causing bad feeling. Sure we did the same on their site but they made sure as hell it was going to kick off. We all knew it. It was so obvious. A small minority of Palace morons I might add.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The club and everyone banging on here about treat them well and they'll behave were always completely DELUDED. It was never going to be that way and never ever will be likewise v Millwall, Cardiff, Pompey.

The trashing of the seats and toilets was unacceptable. Apparently hundreds of them were standing on the seats and jumping up and down on them.

 

[southern_sid]

The trashing of the seats and toilets was unacceptable. Apparently hundreds of them were standing on the seats and jumping up and down on them.

I couldnt give a shit about seats.

Its the innocents caught up in agg is much more of an issue.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I couldnt give a shit about seats.

Its the innocents caught up in agg is much more of an issue.

I give a shit about both issues.

 

[Albion Dan]

They pay for the seats that are damaged so couldnt care less about that.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

They pay for the seats that are damaged so couldnt care less about that.

I can't agree with you. Anyone seen doing it should have been arrested and ejected from the ground.

 

[Commander]

I think we have naively believed the modern age, and look of stadiums has brought with it a new modern fan. Nice surroundings, nice food, comfy seats, ambiant lighting, and you'll get the more cultured side out of fans. Ideas like opening up the concourses after the games for fans to mingle etc.

All very nice ideas, and for the bulk of games this will work perfectly well, but, when it comes to certain games (Palace / Pompey / Cardiff / Millwall / West Ham) then different rules need to apply, and I would suggest that the reality is an old skool "lock-in". Keep the away fans of those 4 clubs back for 20-30 mins until we've had a couple of trains in each direction, and a plethora of buses, then the home fans have dispersed, and trouble is averted.

Which is what I, and a number of others, have been telling anyone who would listen on here for months. It was just astonishing naivety to think that there was going to be no trouble on Tuesday. Anyone who drinks in pubs around Brighton station on matchdays instead of Real Ale pubs in Lewes would have been able to tell you it was going to happen. I still cant actually believe that numerous people on here were saying that football violence didn't happen anymore.

The way to avoid pretty much all trouble is to make the Palace match a "bubble game". It causes maximum inconvenience to away fans, and it's by no means ideal. They have them in Holland for high risk games; fans have to board a coach at their own ground and pick up tickets, usually at a service station, en route on the day of the match. I'm personally against the idea, but then I'm not exactly thrilled to hear stories of stone throwing into large groups of innocent fans gathered at the station, either. Hooligans fighting one another is one thing and, like it or not, that will always happen. When innocent fans get caught up in that nonsense, it becomes a wider issue that needs sorting out.

Why couldn't they make it so they are free to come by train, but they board a coach and pick up their match tickets somewhere down the train line, say Haywards Heath? The coaches then take them to the ground, they don't go anywhere near Brighton city centre, and any Palace fans that lives in Sussex isn't too put out as they only have to get to Haywards Heath instead of Croydon.

 

[Marc1901]

Football violence is something that will always happen, police will be on hand to do their job but the rivalries of clubs up and down the country won't stop people fighting or doing whatever they do to. It seems like the 'older' generation on here who probably done the same things in the 70's, 80's etc are the one's who seem to be mostly pissed off at what happened Tuesday. I'm not saying its a good thing at all but if people fight then they only have themselves to blame when they get banned, arrested..

 

[southwickseagull]

I must be going blind or something, i stayed to clap the team off, had a pee, strolled from the north stand to the park and ride, queued for the Mill Rd bus etc, but never saw any trouble. Indeed no Palace. A lot of noise from the south, made me think they were locked in!