cant believe the amount of Blair lovers on here!!!

[Codner's Crackpipe]

Good plan. The trouble is people on here bitch about anti-social behaviour, yobs, and kids doing terrible things that "would never have happened in my day".

It's not a specific policy, but the problem has been made a whole lot worse by having Labour in "government". Get them out and things will start to improve.

They've done more to undermine society than any government in recent history.

i dunno, just a theory but i think that the rise in anti-social behaviour could be the result of the public (for good reasons) not wanting to tackle the problem personally. if i had behaved like the kids do where i live when i was growing up a neighbour or my parents or both would have "corrected" my behavior one way or another. just a suggestion, but i don't see what a change of government can really do if the will for communities to enforce their own standards has gone to shit.

 

[tedebear]

i dunno, just a theory but i think that the rise in anti-social behaviour could be the result of the public (for good reasons) not wanting to tackle the problem personally. if i had behaved like the kids do where i live when i was growing up a neighbour or my parents or both would have "corrected" my behavior one way or another. just a suggestion, but i don't see what a change of government can really do if the will for communities to enforce their own standards has gone to shit.

pretty much my thinking - which is why I asked the question of Mr C - although wasn't sure what he was refering to...

I'm at a loss to understand why public behaviour of children is soooooo dire these days - what has changed?

 

[bigc]

no sense of community

same reason rates of depression rising. we isolate ourselves

and that arguably comes from the whole Thatcher inspired 80s individualism, just keep yourself to yourself, and no state interference..surely isnt that where the rot began?

 

[Albion Dan]

I wont vote Labour if Blair is the leader of the party, end of story. I would NEVER vote Tory regardless of who is in charge of that shower!

 

[bigc]

but there is no way Blair would leave now. Blair is doomed even if he wins the election, the statistics show voters prefer to Brown to him, he mismanaged this campaign by hiring the awful alan milburn to oversea it, he's history.

but if you want Brown in power, you've got to vote for Blair.hard as that seems

 

[Hannibal smith]

Interestingly, my future Father in Law said he was voting Tory because of the war in Iraq and how Blair had backed Bush. His answer when I suggested that we would have gone to War anyway if the Tories were in charge was that 'It would never have happened'

 

[On the Left Wing]

Embarrassing pic of me interviewing Blair just after the 1997 election .... personally I can't abide the man or his politics

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[alan partridge]

what the hell are you recording that on?

 

[On the Left Wing]

what the hell are you recording that on?

Probably a valve operated Beta Max VCR with trolley .... or something equally crap ... from memory the whole interview was sound bites ... the git didn't anwer a single question squarely!

 

[Meade's Ball]

Re: Re: cant believe the amount of Blair lovers on here!!!

I think you win the most ill-informed, laughable post of the week award.

I'm sorry. I've been a little busy at work today.

 

[Hungry Joe]

The Tony Blair enigma; he was a big part of making Labour electable again and saving us from more decades of Tory mismanagement, but since coming to power the man has lost the plot and virtually every Socialist principal he once had. There has been redisdribution of wealth under his government (although nowhere near enough) but that is largely down to Gordon Brown.

The two things I will never forgive him for; Behaving like a US President in ignoring his own party, the UN and much of the nation in taking us into an illegal and counter-productive war and his dismantling of the Civil Service and public sector. I hope he has great trouble sleeping for the number of dead Socialists turning in their graves.

 

[Lady Bracknell]

Cripes, OLTW!
Looks like a scene from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas...

 

[Lady Bracknell]

or at least "Social Squalor in Sedgefield".

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Re: Re: Re: cant believe the amount of Blair lovers on here!!!

I'm sorry. I've been a little busy at work today.

that is my nomination for post of the week award .............

 

[On the Left Wing]

or at least "Social Squalor in Sedgefield".

Pretty close ..... it was "Tea and stotties in Trimdon" - the puzzled looking guy in the middle was/is his agent ... reminds me of a character from Last of the Summer Wine!

 

[Bwian]

Blair is the reason I won't consider voting Labour.

Any one of the Tories is reason enough for me to guarantee I'll never, ever vote for them. Add to that the terrifying thought of Adolf Howard being PM

I know who I prefer and it ain't Fencesitter Kennedy.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Good plan. The trouble is people on here bitch about anti-social behaviour, yobs, and kids doing terrible things that "would never have happened in my day".

It's not a specific policy, but the problem has been made a whole lot worse by having Labour in "government". Get them out and things will start to improve.

They've done more to undermine society than any government in recent history.

In my experience the people who bitch and moan about anti-social behaviour are likely to vote conservative.

I'd be interested to know what you think labour have done to undermine society. This isn't a dig, I'm just curious.

Actually having just read your post again how does a party do more to undermine society than any in recent memory and yet not have one single specific policy you can identify as a reason?

PS I'm not really a Blair fan, but probably like many dislike Howard more.

 

[simonsimon]

Most people on this message board are anti Howard!
Not surprising really considering his ties with Thatcher.
Also never forget Ann Widdecombe's quote that "he had something of the night
about him", this coming from his own side.

 

[bigc]

Prison works

thats Howards answer

anyone remember the 1995/6 escapes?

lol

 

[DJ Leon]

The Tony Blair enigma; he was a big part of making Labour electable again and saving us from more decades of Tory mismanagement, but since coming to power the man has lost the plot and virtually every Socialist principal he once had. There has been redisdribution of wealth under his government (although nowhere near enough) but that is largely down to Gordon Brown.

The two things I will never forgive him for; Behaving like a US President in ignoring his own party, the UN and much of the nation in taking us into an illegal and counter-productive war and his dismantling of the Civil Service and public sector. I hope he has great trouble sleeping for the number of dead Socialists turning in their graves.

He did make Labour electable again, but only by moving ideologically to the centre. I too would have preferred a socialist government, but after Thatcher it was never going to happen. So let's be realistic, even if a few old socialists are turning in their graves, many more people (like me) are grateful that we don't still have a Tory government.

And before people start saying but that there's no difference between Labour and Tory - think again. What state would be in if the Conservative's had won the last 2 general elections?