Cameron comes of age

[Uncle Spielberg]

First and foremost, it was WOMEN that got themselves the vote! An achievement helped by the First World War when many women took jobs formerly held by the men now away fighting. The contribution that women made to society and the war effort was eventually recognised by the Government although only partial enfranchisement was awarded in 1918.

As for the the Pankhursts, Emmeline was a member of the Independent Labour party (thus certainly not a rabid Tory!) and her daughter Sylvia was a communist.

I was being a bit Flippant Roz

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

You bring up the minimum wage and when you are shot down in flames because you suddenly realsie it was Labour that brought it in, you say regardless who brought it in.
It wouldn't have been brought if the Tories had been in charge, not one of them voted for it in 1997.

check the thread I did not bring up the minimum wage at all someone else did, your whole argument is based on what you believe to be true and what has happened and not based on real events and this proves it

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

SSS

Are you either

1. A Student
2. A Civil Servant
3. On state benefits
4. On low earnings

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I am not bothered what you think quite frankly

I don't think you are bothered what you think either as you come up with incredibly incorrect facts in your arguments about this subject. You make stupid statements that are easily shot down in flames. Why not do some research before typing?

 

[Lady Bracknell]

I was being a bit Flippant Roz

Fairy nuff.

But if that's the case, it might be an idea to put a "Flippant Alert" onto posts that appear to be masquerading as perfectly serious political comments!

 

[Uncle Buck]

I don't think you are bothered what you think either as you come up with incredibly incorrect facts in your arguments about this subject. You make stupid statements that are easily shot down in flames. Why not do some research before typing?

That is hardly a new occurance though...

 

[bhaexpress]

Sad fact of life, any party will tell you what you what to hear but rarely do they actually do it.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

anyway I have huge respect for Ed, Roz, Tom Hark who are strong Labour people and will not fall out with them, I am just explaining why I personally want a change, other people who cannot argue their case without personal insults aren't worth debating with

 

[The Large One]

anyway I have huge respect for Ed, Roz, Tom Hark who are strong Labour people and will not fall out with them, I am just explaining why I personally want a change, other people who cannot argue their case without personal insults aren't worth debating with

But your arguments for change are based on half-truths, misunderstandings and incorrect 'facts', which makes me wonder why you actually want a change.

Is it because you have moved the focus of your ire from Wilkins to Brown?

 

[Man of Harveys]

people who cannot argue their case without personal insults aren't worth debating with

That's so very true - and a quite beautiful sentiment.

*tries not to think about everyone who didn't like a film being labelled a "holocaust denier" by dear old NSC stalwart Garth*
*fails*

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

check the thread I did not bring up the minimum wage at all someone else did, your whole argument is based on what you believe to be true and what has happened and not based on real events and this proves it

Yes are correct you didn not mention the minimum wage first someone else did.
But my argument about the minimum wage is about facts and not my opinion.

Please look at this link to see who actually supported the minimum wage in 1997:

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=1997-12-16&number=120

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Nobody likes cuts to skools n 'ospitals though, which is how Labour will pitch it to the great uneducated swathe of labour voters.




If you like, although I think that says more about your politics than mine.

And the fact that I resent your assertion that if you vote Labour, you are 'uneducated', says what, exactly, about my 'politics'?

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

SSS

Are you either

1. A Student
2. A Civil Servant
3. On state benefits
4. On low earnings

1. No.
2. Yes if you still call Royal Mail the Civil Service, it lost it's Civil Service status as the GPO in 1969 and was transferred to corporation status and called The Post Office.
3. No and never have been.
4. No.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Yes are correct you didn not mention the minimum wage first someone else did.
But my argument about the minimum wage is about facts and not my opinion.

Please look at this link to see who actually supported the minimum wage in 1997:

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=1997-12-16&number=120

The tories did vote against the NMW, but they changed their mind about it after it was set at a comparitively low level.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

anyway I have huge respect for Ed, Roz, Tom Hark who are strong Labour people and will not fall out with them, I am just explaining why I personally want a change, other people who cannot argue their case without personal insults aren't worth debating with

I apologise for calling you an imbecile then. But your half fact based arguments wound me up, but I shouldn't use insults.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

The tories did vote against the NMW, but they changed their mind about it after it was set at a comparitively low level.

Yes that may be true, but do you honestly think that if the Tories had stayed in power to this date we would have the minimum wage now?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

That's so very true - and a quite beautiful sentiment.

*tries not to think about everyone who didn't like a film being labelled a "holocaust denier" by dear old NSC stalwart Garth*
*fails*

for god sake Colin how many more bloody times, I pm'd you about this, I would responding to severe provocation , have you never reacted to anything in your life, you must be such a perfect person

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

But your arguments for change are based on half-truths, misunderstandings and incorrect 'facts', which makes me wonder why you actually want a change.

Is it because you have moved the focus of your ire from Wilkins to Brown?

Brown is in my sights for the time being Al but Wilkins has not been entirely let off the hook yet

 

[The Large One]

Brown is in my sights for the time being Al but Wilkins has not been entirely let off the hook yet

I bet he must be shitting himself then.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I bet he must be shitting himself then.

In fairness, with 'call me Dave' at the Tory helm, Gareth is probably his most fearsome adversary.