Cameron comes of age

[binky]

Because..

I believe the fundamental remit and principles of the Conservative Party is wrong, therefore their solutions are fundementally wrong.

What are the fundamental remit and principles of the Conservative party?

Because I believe Socialism is the best way to deliver a strong economy, equality, fraternity etc therefore, the Labour Party are the nearest Party in the UK to deliver these aims.

Name me a single socialist government who have delivered a strong economy over time.
National econonomies are built by entrepreneurs and visionaries. These people are anathema to those of a socialist disposition.

Have you noticed Cameron is not changing the levels of taxation, just changing the people and the type of taxation. At the last election, the budgets of all the 3 parties were less than 1% apart over the full course of Parliament, with the liberals being the lowest.

Yes. And I'm very dissapointed. The problem is that the Conservatives are running scared of the argument which Labour invariably trots out, (See what I did there?), about cuts to public services.
Pretty much any educated person knows there is waste in every area of public spending which can be eradicated.
Nobody likes cuts to skools n 'ospitals though, which is how Labour will pitch it to the great uneducated swathe of labour voters.

Funny enough, I haven't noticed any increased bureacracy over the last 10 years, has anyone else? This is just an unsubstantial rant deliver in Partnership by the Tories and their partners in crime in the media.

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You clearly don't work in a public company.
Maybe you don't work!
Maybe you just don't look, or aren't awake enough to be aware.
Jeez...

 

[binky]

Bollocks. Blair's War aside, Labour has done superbly. Introduced the minimum wage, pumped billions into the NHS and the Tory-Privatised train companies, introduced puiblic smoking ban to try and save the terminally-stupid from terminal illness. The new man in the job is the smartest most moral leader we'll see this side of the late John Smith. They're undoing nearly two decades of Tory war on the working class. And Blair's poxy Super-Casinos.

Actually make that TWENTY more years!

:dance: :dance:

Agree with the minimum wage.

Would like to see where the billions of NHS funding has gone. (Can I see the accounts please... Oh no. They aren't available!)

Trains still subsidised to the amount they ever were, just hidden "off the books" now.

Hey! If someone wants to smoke, and kill themselves, what's the problem? Are you saying you know better tham they do what is good for them?

Proud to be your current sig.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Who gave us the Health Service you imbecile?

still living on things done 60 years ago you imbecile

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

what about the vote for Women in the 19th century was that Labour ?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

the minimum wage is a fecking joke and no achievment whatsoever it still explotation of people at £ 5.40 per hour or whatever it is. Try living down here on
£ 5.40 per hour especially on your own 40 hours a week at £ 5.40 = £ 216 pw = £ 11232 pa gee wizz

 

[Buzzer]

what about the vote for Women in the 19th century was that Labour ?

20th century - but you're right. Emily Pankhurst was a Tory, through and through.

 

[readingstockport]

the minimum wage is a fecking joke and no achievment whatsoever it still explotation of people at £ 5.40 per hour or whatever it is. Try living down here on
£ 5.40 per hour especially on your own 40 hours a week at £ 5.40 = £ 216 pw = £ 11232 pa gee wizz

AND YOUR f***ing TORIES OPPOSED IT'S INTRODUCTION FFS. AND SOME OF THOSE CNUTS WANT TO ABOLISH IT SO THAT THEY CAN GO BACK TO PAYING A PITTANCE WHILST LINING THEIR OWN POCKETS.


ARGGGHHHHHHH

 

[Buzzer]

AND YOUR f***ing TORIES OPPOSED IT'S INTRODUCTION FFS. AND SOME OF THOSE CNUTS WANT TO ABOLISH IT SO THAT THEY CAN GO BACK TO PAYING A PITTANCE WHILST LINING THEIR OWN POCKETS.


ARGGGHHHHHHH

You're quite an angry person, aren't you? Still...it's easy to believe that people and parties don't change. You do know that the current Labour government once opposed student loans and EU membership.

Also easy to demonise the tories rather than have a rational debate. Something you seem incapable of on this thread.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Labour are truly the party of mirrors and smokes screens, its all spin with no substance and a disgraceful waste of billions and billions of pounds, I believe this Labour party to have been the worst political party since the War.

Yes... that's a fair comments.....

but what was Cameron's speech pray.... certainly spin and unlikely ever to be substance.

 

[readingstockport]

You're quite an angry person, aren't you? Still...it's easy to believe that people and parties don't change. You do know that the current Labour government once opposed student loans and EU membership.

Also easy to demonise the tories rather than have a rational debate. Something you seem incapable of on this thread.

Rubbish, not angry just amazed that someone who ostensibly supports the tories can make a comment on the minimum wage which is almost diametrically opposed to tory party policy. Not once have they supported the raising of the minimum wage, voting against it's raising every time as far as I can recall.
And of course people and parties can change I just don't think that fundamentally the tories have done so.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

You do know that the current Labour government once opposed student loans and EU membership.

No UK government has opposed EEC/EC/EU membership since the 1960s.

 

[readingstockport]

The labour party however did oppose EEC membership back in 72 (I think it was)

 

[Buzzer]

Rubbish, not angry just amazed that someone who ostensibly supports the tories can make a comment on the minimum wage which is almost diametrically opposed to tory party policy. Not once have they supported the raising of the minimum wage, voting against it's raising every time as far as I can recall.
And of course people and parties can change I just don't think that fundamentally the tories have done so.

I support the Tories. I support a minimum wage.

Which policy specifically is opposed to the minimum wage? Can't find anything on their policy statements.

Can't recall seeing any votes on increasing minimum wage in a google search of Hansard either let alone Tories voting against it.

hmmmm........don't think the Tories have changed or don't want them to?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Nobody likes cuts to skools n 'ospitals though, which is how Labour will pitch it to the great uneducated swathe of labour voters.

Nice sweeping generalisation there. I'll mark you down as a right-wing facist then, if that's okay?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The minimum wage is such a joke, jobs available at the minimum wage are being ignored by UK residents but snapped up by East European workers as for them its a lot, the end result is a perpetual cycle of low wages and a further influx of East Europeans taking these job the UK worker shun

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The labour party however did oppose EEC membership back in 72 (I think it was)

Far too simplistic a view.

Some members of the Labour Party opposed membership, others supported it. Heath got parliament to approve accession in 1971 because 72 Labour MPs voted with the Tories, far outweighing the effect of the Tory rebels who voted against it. The Wilson government, elected in 1974, stuck with European membership and this was re-affirmed by the 1975 referendum, which delivered a 2-1 majority in favour of continued membership.

 

[Gwylan]

The labour party however did oppose EEC membership back in 72 (I think it was)

Lord B said no UK government. The Labour Party did pass a vote opposing UK membership of the EEC at a special conference in 1975 but that wasn't supported by the Lab govt at the time - most of the cabinet were pro-EEC with a few members against (Benn, Foot and Shore pre-eminently).

The Labour manifesto of 1983 (aka the longest suicide note in history) did commit UK to withdrawal from the EC but I believe that was the only time that it was actually party policy.

It's interesting that 20/30 years ago it was the Labour Party that was split on Europe - now they speak as one voice (just about) while the Tories are bitterly divided.

 

[supaseagull]

the minimum wage is a fecking joke and no achievment whatsoever it still explotation of people at £ 5.40 per hour or whatever it is. Try living down here on
£ 5.40 per hour especially on your own 40 hours a week at £ 5.40 = £ 216 pw = £ 11232 pa gee wizz

US you're more left wing than you're giving yourself credit for!

The minimum wage was actively opposed by Major, Hague and Duncan-Smith. Had it have not been for this government, workers would have been getting alot less than the £5.40 minimum for MORE than 40 hours a week!

You're preaching double standards mate

 

[supaseagull]

3 polls out Labour lead dropped from 11 % to 0-3%.

in the 1992 election, Labour were leading the tories by margins of 10% and exit polls were predicting a labour landslide. Opinion polls mean nothing!

 

[Gwylan]

The Wilson government, elected in 1972..

PEDANT ALERT

The Wilson government was elected in March 1974 and increased its majority in October of that year in a second General Election.