[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

Right, so it is the start of another Brexit week and let's look at where we are.

Five people stand to be leader of our post-Brexit country. There is a glossy woman from a 1960 Persil advertisement who in 2013 was saying that leaving the EU would be a disaster, a Capt Mainwaring lookalike who has said he would be hopeless at the job, a gloomy Ulsterman who left the government after allowing a chum of his to wander round the MoD and making one of the most colossal over-claims in the expenses scandal, and two people who a fortnight ago were completely disagreeing with Brexit anyway.

There was another bloke, a fat philanderer with hair-tinting issues who didn’t really want to leave the EU at all but thought that leading a campaign to do just that would be a bit of a jape and do wonders for his CV. Unfortunately for him he won and in a moment of extreme ‘tiredness’ he said that leaving the EU wouldn’t change anything much and he was therefore stabbed by Capt Mainwaring.

This wholesome quintet will be whittled down to two by Tory MPs, most of whom don’t want to leave the EU either. One of the finalists will be a Brexit-lover, probably the lady financier with the sixties hairdo. There are questions about her tax arrangements but she has the support of UKIP and at least one big UKIP financier. She in turn has said she will involve UKIP in her negotiations with the EU. She or the stabber will win, because most members of the Conservative Party, although nearly dead, are great Brexit fans and they have the final choice.

So. 0.003% or something of our population will appoint the person to lead the country in the direction chosen in a referendum marked by lies, aggression and xenophobia. A strange sort of democracy.

Tory MPs, although they have an absolute right as members of a Sovereign Parliament to ignore the referendum – indeed, they have a constitutional obligation to do what they believe is right to protect the national interest - will collapse before the mob and go along with anything for an easy life – ironically, given that parliamentary sovereignty was one of the great totems of the Leave campaign.

The very least we deserve is a general election surely?

Liam Fox is a dour Scotsman rather than a gloomy Ulsterman.

 

[Yoda]

Not membership, joining the euro currency was the area where the rules were bent for Greece. And yes it was a mistake.

I would hazard a guess to save their own populous having to change from Euro to Drachma for when going on holiday.

 

[Seagull58]

It seems Merkel's advice to Juncker to wind his neck in fell on deaf ears so she's going to chop his head off.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...t-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

 

[Jim D]

It seems Merkel's advice to Juncker to wind his neck in fell on deaf ears so she's going to chop his head off.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...t-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

That article says all you need to know about how the EU is being run. Germany has all the power and will use it for their own good - nobody else's.

 

[Seagull58]

That article says all you need to know about how the EU is being run. Germany has all the power and will use it for their own good - nobody else's.

In this case, what's good for Germany, a trade deal that lets them continue to export all their stuff to the UK and vice versa, is also good for the UK. Come on Angela. Off with his head.

 

[yxee]

Meanwhile, in cloud cuckoo land...

"Shadow chancellor John McDonell argues there is a "lack of evidence" that corporation tax cuts will increase business investment."

 

[Hampster Gull]

The fact that Pretty Pink Fairy and one or two other prominant Team Brexiters supported a motion calling for its immediate signing suggests that they really do want the UK to get the worst-possible deal in its negotiations with the EU. They are either really stupid, secretly anti-English or have terrible judgement. Their choice.

 

[portslade seagull]

It seems Merkel's advice to Juncker to wind his neck in fell on deaf ears so she's going to chop his head off.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...t-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

My guess is the big multi nationals have worn out the carpet to her door demanding that she tells him to keep schtum as it will affect them greatly

 

[B-right-on]

Pity Tony invaded Iraq and his credibility never recovered and few listen

Well, hopefully someone is listening, makes sense to me

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36698055


Lets keep our options open, the deal isn't done yet and we haven't left yet. Christ if we can't trade with Europe we're in trouble...

There is nothing "Pity" about Blair. He is a first class scumbag of the highest order. Should really be done for war crimes and for the murder of all the Brit soldiers died in the Iraq conflict. He LIED about the WMD, deliberatly and knowingly invaded another country on false statements.

No 'pity' about it. The guy is just a d!ck.

Plus he was a "peace ambassador" (what a frigging joke) for the EU and now he leads the European Council on Tolerance and Reconciliation earning a fortune from it when doing jack sh!t.

Oh apart from that - we should listen to him about the EU, yea right because he is such an honest bloke. When we leave it means his gravy train is cut short.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Liam Fox is a dour Scotsman rather than a gloomy Ulsterman.

You're right, apologies. Meanwhile the utter shambles of the Brexiters' PM bids reach new heights. A Tory MP accuses Gove of being a gossip with alcohol issues and Boris's sister calls him a suicide bomber who has his explosives belt detonated by his wife. Gove himself says that he only recently came to the view that Boris is a loser but a minister in the last government reveals that he has thought that for years, suggesting that the two front men in the Leave campaign never had faith in each other.

Jesus wept, where has our country gone?

 

[Jim in the West]

You're right, apologies. Meanwhile the utter shambles of the Brexiters' PM bids reach new heights. A Tory MP accuses Gove of being a gossip with alcohol issues and Boris's sister calls him a suicide bomber who has his explosives belt detonated by his wife. Gove himself says that he only recently came to the view that Boris is a loser but a minister in the last government reveals that he has thought that for years, suggesting that the two front men in the Leave campaign never had faith in each other.

Jesus wept, where has our country gone?

Indeed - I thought the Referendum itself (with all the lies/scare-mongering) was a farce, but the past week has been utterly ridiculous. In all seriousness, could we not just merge with Germany and have Merkel double up as our leader, too? We plainly do not have the calibre of public servant to come anywhere near PM quality. What on earth must the rest of the world think of us....?

 

[Soulman]

You're right, apologies. Meanwhile the utter shambles of the Brexiters' PM bids reach new heights. A Tory MP accuses Gove of being a gossip with alcohol issues and Boris's sister calls him a suicide bomber who has his explosives belt detonated by his wife. Gove himself says that he only recently came to the view that Boris is a loser but a minister in the last government reveals that he has thought that for years, suggesting that the two front men in the Leave campaign never had faith in each other.

Jesus wept, where has our country gone?

Good job Labour and Liberal are strong though.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Good job Labour and Liberal are strong though.

Helpful. Do you actually care about this country or is scoring cheap points on an internet forum more important to you?

Rhetorical question btw. I've seen your previous posts.

 

[beorhthelm]

You're right, apologies. Meanwhile the utter shambles of the Brexiters' PM bids reach new heights. A Tory MP accuses Gove of being a gossip with alcohol issues and Boris's sister calls him a suicide bomber who has his explosives belt detonated by his wife. Gove himself says that he only recently came to the view that Boris is a loser but a minister in the last government reveals that he has thought that for years, suggesting that the two front men in the Leave campaign never had faith in each other.

they may have had doubts about each other, you'd expect that among political types. article in the Evening Standard today seemed very informed from both sides, painted a picture of Gove having slowly taken over the back office, essentially becoming the man behind the scene, then a couple of incidents made him realise Boris couldnt be trusted with power. first he forgets to send a letter to Leadsom to assure her of a place in the team (its been left in the office), leading to her assuming she'd beed frozen out and runs herself. second he hasnt prepared any speech the evening before the planned announcment. Boris who we know is a bit scatty, isnt appearing to cope with the pressure of a simple leadership election. with his people running the show anyway, Gove sees that theres only one sensible way forward. backstabbing, or taking decisive action to prevent a very bad situation (Boris winning and becoming PM).

 

[pastafarian]

If we had more people like her the world would be a far nicer place...

Re: the old people... Them the facts mate

No it wouldn’t. More loons like her equals more danger.
She is simply spouting clueless bed wetting nonsense.
No sane person believes (like you and her) that the referendum result was a victory for hate or we have witnessed the stirrings of fascism in Britain or that old people don’t have a future in this country.
This sort of wet blanketry should be discouraged along with the Soylent Green group think.
I hope she is never allowed to play with matches.

 

[Buzzer]

The very least we deserve is a general election surely?

Yes we do. I've pretty much disagreed with everything you've said in this thread but fully agree here. There needs to be one so that whoever leads the country through Brexit has a mandate for doing so. The referendum was a game-changer and it's peculiar and important enough to warrant breaking the fixed term rule.

I reckon it's pretty much guaranteed that the Tories will get back in and the down-side is that Labour will probably lose seats to UKIP in the North but I think it might just be the only way for the Labour Party to get rid of Corbyn and keep the party together. They will be stronger after this and they will also be able to deal with the entryists from the far left after having fought and lost an election under Corbyn. UKIP won't be around in the long run and Labour supporters will return after Brexit.

If Stephen Crabb can make the right noises about gay rights and explicitly disown the 'cure theory' that the group he was aligned to claim then I think he might be our best hope for the next 5 years. The rather odd views on gays aside, it would be great to see a proper One Nation Tory as PM. Gove is a fruit-loop. Leadsom is apparently the most incompetent minister ever, Liam Fox is a hard-right cheat and Theresa May's prevaricating on right to abode for existing EU citizens here can frankly pee off.

 

[LlcoolJ]

they may have had doubts about each other, you'd expect that among political types. article in the Evening Standard today seemed very informed from both sides, painted a picture of Gove having slowly taken over the back office, essentially becoming the man behind the scene, then a couple of incidents made him realise Boris couldnt be trusted with power. first he forgets to send a letter to Leadsom to assure her of a place in the team (its been left in the office), leading to her assuming she'd beed frozen out and runs herself. second he hasnt prepared any speech the evening before the planned announcment. Boris who we know is a bit scatty, isnt appearing to cope with the pressure of a simple leadership election. with his people running the show anyway, Gove sees that theres only one sensible way forward. backstabbing, or taking decisive action to prevent a very bad situation (Boris winning and becoming PM).

Completely ignoring the fact that neither actually wanted Leave to win. And the fallout from the disaster causing blame, panic and division in both camps and a desperate scramble to save each of their political careers. Both failing.

 

[beorhthelm]

Yes we do. I've pretty much disagreed with everything you've said in this thread but fully agree here. There needs to be one so that whoever leads the country through Brexit has a mandate for doing so.

some how the referedum wasnt that mandate? the vast majority of current MPs will be those standing, and most will be returned. all main parties support EU membership, and neither party is likly to force deselection of pro-leave candidates so we'll be in the same position of most MPs being pro-EU. the GE would be fought over all the other issues, economy, health, education, welfare defense, etc. the referendum would have more prominence but wouldnt be the only matter for voting on. the only reason to call a GE is to effectivly overturn the mandate from the referendum, and that may well happen for that reason, but let be open about that.

 

[Buzzer]

some how the referedum wasnt that mandate?

The referendum was cross-party, it wasn't a mandate for the Tories, Labour or even UKIP. The fact that we don't know who will lead the negotiations nor the strategy needs addressing and I think for the sake of UK politics an election might clear the air a little and bring some clarity.

 

[beorhthelm]

The referendum was cross-party, it wasn't a mandate for the Tories, Labour or even UKIP. The fact that we don't know who will lead the negotiations nor the strategy needs addressing and I think for the sake of UK politics an election might clear the air a little and bring some clarity.

this was the situation before the referendum and the basis upon which it was contested, that the current Tory government would have to take forward the result. if we need a GE we should maybe have had one last week with a manifesto only containing EU related issues? as i see it, the purpose of now calling a GE is either to reinforce the referendum, if a party stands on that pledge, or to disgard it. either way we render the referendum result itself redundant, and as the main parties are pro-EU it can only really lead to one outcome. and maybe thats for the best, as we've now apparently learnt we cant leave the EU after all, because parliament has to has to enact legislation to invoke article 50 and they are not minded to do so.

what we have certainly learnt is that we in the UK shouldnt do referendums, because we dont really understand them.