Did that caller pay as large a percentage of the NT budget as the UK does of the EU budget? Did that caller contribute as much to the NT economy as the UK does to the EU economy? Did the NT go into meltdown when the caller decided to leave?
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[Politics] Brexit
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pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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So Government income down and the cost of borrowing soon to rise.
That £350 million isn't going to go very far at all, with the NHS getting all £350 million of it, its going to leave all other state spending, including defence going down the drain.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
i think that chart shows the fact that those areas who are suffering from an over population of immigrants have voted to leave......the north and midlands anyway ...the east has voted out as sick of being dictated to in agricultural terms .....the scots and n.ireland , prrfft feck knows what they're on about and Londonites voted remain because they get great benefit from elevated property demand /values etc...(rich twatts) it's easy for the silver coated southerners to say remain.....have a month in rochdale,oldham, gloucester , grantham , walsall or mansfield.....grim as fook.....at the end of the day the people have voted to leave for the wrong reasons believing that things are the way they are because of the E.U....the problems that we face these days have very little to do with the E.U.....but more to do with the fact that we encouraged migrant labour in the past and now have a rather large pocket of disgruntled society because we are currently bombing the shit out their religious brothers and sisters.
nicko31
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Devil in the detail from GO, already taking 17% by 2020, maybe sub 15% by 2030.
Think trying to sure up investors the UK is a great place to be, we're taking the lead in the race to the bottom. Ireland isn't worth the hassle, stay with us and try not to panic
I didn't see that in the article. If people had wanted to do that they would have ignored them back, and just not voted. Instead they voted in their millions to leave the EU because (I believe) they can see the EU for what it is: corrupt, domineering and not fit for purpose. I'm sure many of them are like me - felt cheated after the 1975 referendum when we were slowly dragged into something we were promised wouldn't happen and that we didn't want (ever increasing assimilation into a United States of Europe, led by Germany and France). I am also sure that, like me, they promised themselves that if they were given a second chance they wouldn't make the same mistake again. I salute all of those for remaining true to the cause and for those not able to vote in 1975 for not being put off by the scaremongering tactics of the remainers.
It wasn't me with the quote but I would hope many of them would have memories of what it was like in the early days of the Common Market - where we had individual countries with their own laws and parliaments joined together to create a single base from which to do business with each other. That was the original vision - even Maggie was in favour of that.
Well what are these conditions you mention and what exactly are you scared of, your just throwing around soundbites and do not seem to identify consequence, it was you that said free world movement was a reasonable aspiration and now you mention 'conditions to be met' if further accession countries even within the EU, you went from 'Hippy' to 'Farage' in one fell swoop.
Baldseagull
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No, I didn't. I just asked what you are scared of, if the E.U. we're to grow by adding further members. There have always been conditions on joining the Union, find out for yourself what the process is, I have neither the time or the patience to educate the willfully stupid.
studio150
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What's with all this nick picking just accept that you no longer have access to NT properties. Anyway you should be thankful as the gardens wont be as good given the vote not to allow more gardeners in
You voted for ir now just get on with it and be positive you can still look over the wall if you take a stool with you.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
Correct me if I am wrong as I could well be but didn't Greece get in because the EU allowed them to meet the conditions when in truth they didn't? The EU machine decided it would be a good idea to have another market to sell into so made sure Greece would pass the test. That didn't work out too well did it!
You said that you would support worldwide free movement of peoples not just within the EU, you thought you sounded clever but now you are back tracking, acknowledging 'conditions' to even join a free movement area within the EU is necessary, its nonsensical for you to even consider worldwide free movement is some viable aspiration, it clearly isnt.
Dont bother asking me why I think it is astoundingly stupid to expand the free movement of people within the EU which is fundamentally an un-calibrated economic area, why not ask the EU why it seems unwilling to do it anytime soon, your own political position isnt represented, by the Leavers, the Remainers or the EU, none of which aspire to ultimately dissolve world wild nation states and its borders, you're out there on your own mate.
Yoda
English & European
Technically, the EU wasn't formed until the Maastricht Treaty of 1993, Greece had already been a member of the EC since 1981 and went through a 5 year application so not exactly rushed through.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
Not membership, joining the euro currency was the area where the rules were bent for Greece. And yes it was a mistake.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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The fact that Pretty Pink Fairy and one or two other prominant Team Brexiters supported a motion calling for its immediate signing suggests that they really do want the UK to get the worst-possible deal in its negotiations with the EU. They are either really stupid, secretly anti-English or have terrible judgement. Their choice.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
As I said, I don't have the time or the patience. I apologise for suggesting you were being willfully stupid though, I now see that you have no choice.
Nor knowledge, which is key .........................
nicko31
Well-known member
Pity Tony invaded Iraq and his credibility never recovered and few listen
Well, hopefully someone is listening, makes sense to me
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36698055
Lets keep our options open, the deal isn't done yet and we haven't left yet. Christ if we can't trade with Europe we're in trouble...
Well, hopefully someone is listening, makes sense to me
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36698055
Lets keep our options open, the deal isn't done yet and we haven't left yet. Christ if we can't trade with Europe we're in trouble...
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Baldseagull
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This is partly true, I do not have all the knowledge of the E.U. I do however know the difference between free movement of labour and the Schengen area, which from reading your previous post, it is clear you do not.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Right, so it is the start of another Brexit week and let's look at where we are.
Five people stand to be leader of our post-Brexit country. There is a glossy woman from a 1960 Persil advertisement who in 2013 was saying that leaving the EU would be a disaster, a Capt Mainwaring lookalike who has said he would be hopeless at the job, a gloomy Ulsterman who left the government after allowing a chum of his to wander round the MoD and making one of the most colossal over-claims in the expenses scandal, and two people who a fortnight ago were completely disagreeing with Brexit anyway.
There was another bloke, a fat philanderer with hair-tinting issues who didn’t really want to leave the EU at all but thought that leading a campaign to do just that would be a bit of a jape and do wonders for his CV. Unfortunately for him he won and in a moment of extreme ‘tiredness’ he said that leaving the EU wouldn’t change anything much and he was therefore stabbed by Capt Mainwaring.
This wholesome quintet will be whittled down to two by Tory MPs, most of whom don’t want to leave the EU either. One of the finalists will be a Brexit-lover, probably the lady financier with the sixties hairdo. There are questions about her tax arrangements but she has the support of UKIP and at least one big UKIP financier. She in turn has said she will involve UKIP in her negotiations with the EU. She or the stabber will win, because most members of the Conservative Party, although nearly dead, are great Brexit fans and they have the final choice.
So. 0.003% or something of our population will appoint the person to lead the country in the direction chosen in a referendum marked by lies, aggression and xenophobia. A strange sort of democracy.
Tory MPs, although they have an absolute right as members of a Sovereign Parliament to ignore the referendum – indeed, they have a constitutional obligation to do what they believe is right to protect the national interest - will collapse before the mob and go along with anything for an easy life – ironically, given that parliamentary sovereignty was one of the great totems of the Leave campaign.
The very least we deserve is a general election surely?
Five people stand to be leader of our post-Brexit country. There is a glossy woman from a 1960 Persil advertisement who in 2013 was saying that leaving the EU would be a disaster, a Capt Mainwaring lookalike who has said he would be hopeless at the job, a gloomy Ulsterman who left the government after allowing a chum of his to wander round the MoD and making one of the most colossal over-claims in the expenses scandal, and two people who a fortnight ago were completely disagreeing with Brexit anyway.
There was another bloke, a fat philanderer with hair-tinting issues who didn’t really want to leave the EU at all but thought that leading a campaign to do just that would be a bit of a jape and do wonders for his CV. Unfortunately for him he won and in a moment of extreme ‘tiredness’ he said that leaving the EU wouldn’t change anything much and he was therefore stabbed by Capt Mainwaring.
This wholesome quintet will be whittled down to two by Tory MPs, most of whom don’t want to leave the EU either. One of the finalists will be a Brexit-lover, probably the lady financier with the sixties hairdo. There are questions about her tax arrangements but she has the support of UKIP and at least one big UKIP financier. She in turn has said she will involve UKIP in her negotiations with the EU. She or the stabber will win, because most members of the Conservative Party, although nearly dead, are great Brexit fans and they have the final choice.
So. 0.003% or something of our population will appoint the person to lead the country in the direction chosen in a referendum marked by lies, aggression and xenophobia. A strange sort of democracy.
Tory MPs, although they have an absolute right as members of a Sovereign Parliament to ignore the referendum – indeed, they have a constitutional obligation to do what they believe is right to protect the national interest - will collapse before the mob and go along with anything for an easy life – ironically, given that parliamentary sovereignty was one of the great totems of the Leave campaign.
The very least we deserve is a general election surely?
studio150
Well-known member
So we can vote in all the fringe parties as a protest vote against anyone remotely involved in the Referendum and find out that the new Prime Minister is Thomas the Tank Engine as he stood on a platform for nationalising the railways