[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

The Johnson government is failing us all..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBpRQStxzXg&list=RDCMUCj1_pZ7vmxnhy5clIcMVJtg&start_radio=1

 

[JC Footy Genius]

600m GBP per week businesses should be better off by

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The same place where the 500,000 Brexit unemployed are hiding?

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[A1X]

You dont want taking back control and the issue of sovereignty used as valid reasons for deciding to Leave......even though the overwhelming number of Leave voters ranked taking back control and issues of sovereignty as their main reasons for voting to Leave.

So how do you reconcile this with another big (and on polling results seemingly important to voters) element of the Leave argument of being able to sign trade deals with whoever we want? After all, every trade deal ever signed with anyone anywhere ever involves some measure of surrender of sovereignty, by definition it has to as you have to meet the criteria in the trade deal for things like food standards, manufacturing processes, state aid etc. So the only way to retain "sovereignty" is to never sign a trade deal with anyone, something the Leave campaign explicitly said the exact opposite of. Do you not see how some might therefore accuse the Brexit-backers of hypocrisy?

Especially as under the new arrangements we've taken the pooling of sovereignty with others in an organisation we had a direct say in the running of and instead opted to hand it to other countries over whose actions we have absolutely no say (I could vote in European elections, I don't elect the US Congress or Australian MPs).

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well here's £800M we can have when we can be arsed to put in some simple border check on our borders.

Taxes worth £800m go unpaid as border checks relaxed to keep traffic flowing after Brexit

Taxes totalling £800m could go unpaid this year because of border checks on lorries being scaled back to avoid queues at ports after Brexit, MPs have been told.

HM Revenue and Customs accepts that money will be lost because of a decision to prioritise free flow of traffic over revenue protection, chief executive Jim Harra told the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-borders-hmrc-tax-vat-b1790618.html

Apparently we think we may put some border controls in place by July.

'Taking control of our borders'. Surely nobody was stupid enough to fall for that

 

[Baker lite]

Never underestimate the underestimated H
Regards
DF

These condescending,hysterical fannys have never hot over the fact that the working classes have had enough of being pushed around by these sneering champagne socialists, they hate the way we used our vote,they despise the very working class people that gave birth to the Labour movement. The parliamentary Labour Party is now a London centric party of protest,full of nation loathing students and right on middle class wankers.
**** em.


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[WATFORD zero]

sure, there should be VAT added. its not clear if this is being mis-recorded as customs, a processing fee charged a % fee seperate to VAT, if there is a VAT discount.

VAT charges, import duty and courier admin fees are all quite clearly set out in the linked article. This is from the linked article.

Online orders up to £135
Online orders up to £135 are now supposed to have the UK’s current VAT rate added at the point of sale by the EU retailer. Anyone in the UK receiving a gift from the EU worth more than £39 will face a bill for import VAT, at 20 per cent.

Shoppers should note, this payment cannot be paid in advance (at the purchase of the item), and is only levied when the item reaches the UK.

Online orders over £135
Online orders above £135 will also attract import duty. This charge will range from zero to 25 per cent of the item’s value depending on what it is, what material the item is made from and its declared value.VAT will then be added to the total, as the current UK rate. Generally speaking, this is 20 percent.

Admin fees
The charges will continue with a courier admin fee. This is typically between £8 with the Royal Mail and £11.50 with UPS. This cost can also be for the amount paid to clear the item through customs, which is a minimum charge of £11 with DHL.

You always seem to manage to misunderstand, over-complicate things, confuse yourself and then come up with a resulting wrong statement often diametrically opposed to the actual facts (most recently that UK financial services had passporting and equivalence in the EU, when it was actually the complete opposite). It's very clear what is charged above and with that I'm out of this particular point. Sorry

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

Can anyone tell me why it's such a terrible idea?

More power devolving to regional governments brings decisions closer to the ballot box. I think there's an argument for devolved regions in England.

..... and the significant duplication of administration tasks, resources, buildings, IT, legal systems ......

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

VAT charges, import duty and courier admin fees are all quite clearly set out in the linked article. This is from the linked article.

Online orders up to £135
Online orders up to £135 are now supposed to have the UK’s current VAT rate added at the point of sale by the EU retailer. Anyone in the UK receiving a gift from the EU worth more than £39 will face a bill for import VAT, at 20 per cent.

Shoppers should note, this payment cannot be paid in advance (at the purchase of the item), and is only levied when the item reaches the UK.

Online orders over £135
Online orders above £135 will also attract import duty. This charge will range from zero to 25 per cent of the item’s value depending on what it is, what material the item is made from and its declared value.VAT will then be added to the total, as the current UK rate. Generally speaking, this is 20 percent.

Admin fees
The charges will continue with a courier admin fee. This is typically between £8 with the Royal Mail and £11.50 with UPS. This cost can also be for the amount paid to clear the item through customs, which is a minimum charge of £11 with DHL.

You always seem to manage to misunderstand, over-complicate things, confuse yourself and then come up with a resulting wrong statement. It's very clear what is charged above and with that I'm out of this particular point. Sorry

And [MENTION=2719]Mouldy Boots[/MENTION] suggests we buy British. What if you want a car that doesn’t fall apart, vacuum cleaner that isn’t totally over-engineered and expensive, a washing machine that doesn’t destroy your clothes and flood the house, clothes that look nice or a banana? What then?

 

[daveinplzen]

Brexit Jihadi's still defending the Brexit **** up. Brilliant.
How's that 'protecting the fishing industry' panning out?
I'm still waiting for one of them to have the courage to list all the positives.

 

[beorhthelm]

You always seem to manage to misunderstand, over-complicate things, confuse yourself and then come up with a resulting wrong statement (most recently that UK financial services had passporting and equivalence in the EU, when it was actually the complete opposite). It's very clear what is charged above and with that I'm out of this particular point. Sorry

not overcomplicating anything, trying to understand what Herr Tubthumper sees on his invoice, being in Germany. even when i agree with you (VAT etc due), you still keep picking away at some old grievance ( i never stated we had passporting or equivalence, but UK traders were permitted to trade shares in EU.)

now keep on topic eh?

 

[Bry Nylon]

And [MENTION=2719]Mouldy Boots[/MENTION] suggests we buy British. What if you want a car that doesn’t fall apart, vacuum cleaner that isn’t totally over-engineered and expensive, a washing machine that doesn’t destroy your clothes and flood the house or a banana?

21 pages and counting and just because you have to be different and import LPs and can't be arsed to download McFly and One D like everybody else.

 

[WATFORD zero]

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

21 pages and counting and just because you have to be different and import LPs and can't be arsed to download McFly and One D like everybody else.

Downloads are just not the same; I like the feel and smell of a Busted vinyl.

 

[Baker lite]

At the moment I doubt Brexit is affecting Brexiteers too much. But once the freezers in Iceland start to empty, they realize there’s a limit on fags and booze in Calais and their week in Benidorm isn’t as easy as it was they will surely have a rethink? Or maybe the think in rethink is a step too far?

Oh how very Lady Nugee of you.


[emoji636]Born to win.


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[nicko31]

Well here's £800M we can have when we can be arsed to put in some simple border check on our borders.

Taxes worth £800m go unpaid as border checks relaxed to keep traffic flowing after Brexit

Taxes totalling £800m could go unpaid this year because of border checks on lorries being scaled back to avoid queues at ports after Brexit, MPs have been told.

HM Revenue and Customs accepts that money will be lost because of a decision to prioritise free flow of traffic over revenue protection, chief executive Jim Harra told the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-borders-hmrc-tax-vat-b1790618.html

Apparently we think we may put some border controls in place by July.

'Taking control of our borders'. Surely nobody was stupid enough to fall for that

EU exporters must be quite pleased how things are going, UK government has really been doing their best to help them out.

Oh and no Covid checks either...

 

[Springal]

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Another business owner thicko who can't fill in forms? Or someone that just needs to believe a bit more?

 

[El Presidente]

Knowing as you do full well that the overwhelming majority of leavers voted to leave on issues of sovereignty and control why would you ask them for other reasons for voting to leave that were unrelated to taking back control and issues of sovereignty?

Must say I'm inclined to agree with you.

The arguments for remain were economic based.

The arguments for Brexit were sovereignty based.

People had a choice and made it.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

These condescending,hysterical fannys have never hot over the fact that the working classes have had enough of being pushed around by these sneering champagne socialists, they hate the way we used our vote,they despise the very working class people that gave birth to the Labour movement. The parliamentary Labour Party is now a London centric party of protest,full of nation loathing students and right on middle class wankers.
**** em.


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Yep , treat them with the contempt they deserve
Regards
DF

 

[Timbo]

And [MENTION=2719]Mouldy Boots[/MENTION] suggests we buy British. What if you want a car that doesn’t fall apart, vacuum cleaner that isn’t totally over-engineered and expensive, a washing machine that doesn’t destroy your clothes and flood the house, clothes that look nice or a banana? What then?

Playing Devils advocate, we make some good cars in this country, Henrys are the best vacuum cleaner in the world (your over engineered Dyson's are made in SIngapore) and I still managed to get bananas at the weekend for the same price as they've been for six months.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Must say I'm inclined to agree with you.

The arguments for remain were economic based.

The arguments for Brexit were sovereignty based.

People had a choice and made it.

They have certainly been sovereignty based in the last few months as it's become clearer what Brexit would be. I think if you look a little further back on this thread you will find plenty of Too Much Immigration, New Trade Opportunities, Paying too much to the EU for what we get, Getting our fish back, etc posts.

There's quite a number of small businessmen all over the news at the moment who voted Brexit because they thought (or were told) that the EU put too much red tape around exports, and now think a little differently.

There were certainly some who thought it was about sovereignty, but I would suggest that number was relatively small 5 years ago, when the decision was made.