Am I the only person

[pishhead]

I can confirm that a new cell of Combat 18 is being led by Ken the kit man backed up by John keeley. The reason CKR wants clear the air talks is becuase he was jumped after training by Keelos henchman Matt hicks.
remember folks you heard it here first.

 

[Woodchip]

Am I the only person on this board, apart from Ernest that really winds up Woodchip with the amount of rubbish I spout?

Yes, you are

 

[DJ Leon]

Anybody who knows me would tell you that if I thought that it was either MM or DK and had good reason for thinking this I would be the first to say so and name names.

However, I believe that it appears that in the back ground,and there many possible candidates, there is somebody who is not over keen on black players.

The players get signed and then shipped out when will Santos become unpopular!

This is nonsense again. What is your evidence? Presumably you have to be talking about a person/people able to make or break players and sway the backroom staffs opinion of the player. Is it Malcolm Stuart?

Kindly either furnish us with a sensible opinion or shut your noise.

 

[jakes right boot]

. Most clubs do an in depth check up on players, their habits, their good and bad points as regards their standard and way of life etc before signing them.

What a load of bollox!!

 

[Vlad the Impala]

It is rather stupid to even think that ONE PERSON in a club could result in behaviour that onlookers could interpret as racist. It would at least take complicity from others on the staff, and that is even more preposterous.

 

[brighton2win]

By all accounts (was told this around last January) many of the black players annoyed McGhee as they had formed a 'clique', and didn't socialise with the other players in training or outside of it. Knight was apparently the ring leader, and him and McGhee constantly had words until he was eventually shown the door. Kuipers stood up for McCammon on the coach, which was part of the reason for him falling out with McGhee. Kazim-Richards is/was in the clique, but McGhee was desperate to get him involved more with the rest of the squad, and Jarrett was also shipped out.

So it's probably not so much that McGhee (or anyone else) is racist, more that it just happened to be the black players harming team spirit, and the only solution was to get rid of the likes of Knight and Jarrett, for the benefit of the team.

that's a pretty reasoned answer. i remember a video quite a few months ago about what the players did in training and had interviews with players/managing staff by two girls. leon knight, albert jarrett and kazim-richards were interviewed as a 3, and in the credits had outtakes of them messing about in the carpark or something. can't really remember.

hopefully CKR's attitude has changed and he can become part of the 1st team soon

 

[Marc]

Am I the only person who feels that somewhere within the club, and I have no idea who it is, but there is a rasicst.

We buy 'black' players but most are then shipped out as having an attitude problem. Most clubs do an in depth check up on players, their habits, their good and bad points as regards their standard and way of life etc before signing them. So why does this attitude not manifest itself before we sign them?

Has any other team got a successful youth team without a 'coloured' player in it?

oh f*** off and die please

you're a ****...end of!

 

[London Irish]

Am I the only person who feels that somewhere within the club, and I have no idea who it is, but there is a rasicst.

We buy 'black' players but most are then shipped out as having an attitude problem. Most clubs do an in depth check up on players, their habits, their good and bad points as regards their standard and way of life etc before signing them. So why does this attitude not manifest itself before we sign them?

Has any other team got a successful youth team without a 'coloured' player in it?

You are f***ing joking aren't you?

Take a good look at the Sussex area - it's never exactly been a high immigration area and our youth scheme is built almost entirely on local lads rather than poaching from London. And even despite that, our currently most effective youth product for the first team is Lynch, a lad with West Indian heritage, not far behind is El Abd, with African heritage.

The twattish accusations of racism while despressing are vaguely understandable when they come from young immature twats but you are in, what, your sixties?, you should be f***ing ashamed at youself for chucking shit like that around.

There have been mutterings from many people who have thought that this was so

Yes, TWATS.

 

[London Irish]

By all accounts (was told this around last January) many of the black players annoyed McGhee as they had formed a 'clique', and didn't socialise with the other players in training or outside of it. Knight was apparently the ring leader, and him and McGhee constantly had words until he was eventually shown the door. Kuipers stood up for McCammon on the coach, which was part of the reason for him falling out with McGhee. Kazim-Richards is/was in the clique, but McGhee was desperate to get him involved more with the rest of the squad, and Jarrett was also shipped out.

So it's probably not so much that McGhee (or anyone else) is racist, more that it just happened to be the black players harming team spirit, and the only solution was to get rid of the likes of Knight and Jarrett, for the benefit of the team.

We've heard quite a bit about this clique now and from some people on here with decent sources, so there is probably something in it.

The bit that I've always found slightly unbelievable about it is insinuations that Mark McCammon was a big part of it. He's a fair bit older than the other players allegedly involved and for me when interviewed has always come across as someone with a very different attitude to training and hard work than what you hear alleged with the likes of Knight and Jarrett. In that video referred to by Brighton2Win, for example, he came across as some kind of gym fitness freak who basically did nothing but spend all day in there!

Big Mac may well have been a bit "chippy" to deal with as a coach, that's not exactly the same as being a pisstaker.

Doncaster have now given Big Mac the job of taking the sprint-training drills for the squad at Belle Vue, a minor coaching role. Again, this doesn't tally with someone who basically turns up to training to take the piss and have a laugh.

I think what I'm saying is that it's not particularly useful to view this as a black v white thing at the Albion, what you had was a very small number of disruptive younger players who just happened to be black - frankly, it's not exactly as if there haven't been disruptive white players in recent times, remember the reason why we offloaded Wicks to Hull. Nicolas turned up late for a Reserve game, not accusing him of being disruptive at all but if he'd been black, would we rather inaccurately have lumped him in as part of a clique after he failed to show at that game?

I think we have to be very careful with tarring all the black players at the club with the acknowledged antics of the likes of Knight and Jarrett.

 

[dougdeep]

This is so Fixtures!

 

[Collar Feeler]

Why is it when someone posts a perfectly reasonable thread that happens to mention the taboo word 'racist' others have the knee jerk reaction of calling the thread starter a twat, a **** and worse??

I've posted a similar thread before because it was being discussed at games by more than a number of people including some very well respected high profile fans.

Since posting previously on the subject, I have had the chance to speak to various people inside and outside the club and I'm convinced that there is no racism, overt or otherwise within the club. However, that doesn't mean to say that it isn't a subject that cannot be discussed which seems to be the viewpoint of many on here. Some of the outraged responses on this thread are quite frankly ridiculous.

And since when did any business or organisation become immune from racism? The thought that your beloved Albion couldn't possibly be racist or employ any racists is a dangerous viewpoint since racists exist everywhere in varying degrees. Some people need to wake up and accept that we should encourage discussion on the subject (even if it may be unfounded or just rumours) not hide from it.

 

[Ned]

Why is it when someone posts a perfectly reasonable thread that happens to mention the taboo word 'racist' others have the knee jerk reaction of calling the thread starter a twat, a **** and worse??

Because this particular poster is an associate of Greg Stanley and has a long history of shit stirring on totally unfounded issues.

 

[DJ Leon]

Why is it when someone posts a perfectly reasonable thread that happens to mention the taboo word 'racist' others have the knee jerk reaction of calling the thread starter a twat, a **** and worse??

I've posted a similar thread before because it was being discussed at games by more than a number of people including some very well respected high profile fans.

Since posting previously on the subject, I have had the chance to speak to various people inside and outside the club and I'm convinced that there is no racism, overt or otherwise within the club. However, that doesn't mean to say that it isn't a subject that cannot be discussed which seems to be the viewpoint of many on here. Some of the outraged responses on this thread are quite frankly ridiculous.

And since when did any business or organisation become immune from racism? The thought that your beloved Albion couldn't possibly be racist or employ any racists is a dangerous viewpoint since racists exist everywhere in varying degrees. Some people need to wake up and accept that we should encourage discussion on the subject (even if it may be unfounded or just rumours) not hide from it.

Who said it couldn't be discussed?
What I want to see is some evidence, or a viewpoint which looks at some evidence and draws a sensible conclusion (see Withdean Wanderer's contribution). Instead BG's ramblings have been vague and accusatory. Put it this way, if someone said my department at work was racist and had behaved in a racist way, I would sue the accuser and try my damnedest to ruin them.

Calling someone or something racist is a serious accusation and people should put proper thought into it before doing it. I'll have a sensible debate when someone starts a sensible discussion.

 

[DJ Leon]

Because this particular poster is an associate of Greg Stanley and has a long history of shit stirring on totally unfounded issues.

Also a good point.

 

[Icy Gull]

Because this particular poster is an associate of Greg Stanley and has a long history of shit stirring on totally unfounded issues.

Greg Stanley is the instigator of all our ground problems so I can't believe that any Albion fan wouldn't want to distance himself from anything involving the asset stripping barsteward. Is BG still a mate of his?

Not forgetting that BG was the poster who posted the, what turned out to be, ridiculous "CKR to Sheff Utd" scoop pre-season. With that sort of track record I'm sceptical of any of his, probably fantasy, musings.

I can only assume that the veiled racist innuendo refers to MM as we there was obviously no racial problem with Zamora, who was pre McGhee. So why did McCammon come here, having played under MM before, if he is a racist?

 

[Woodchip]

Greg Stanley is the instigator of all our ground problems so I can't believe that any Albion fan wouldn't want to distance himself from anything involving the asset stripping barsteward. Is BG still a mate of his?

He probably works for LDC as well.

 

[WATFORD zero]

This man constantly snipes at the club and the people who run it. He tells how he once had the opportunity to be a major part of the club, but when the club was desperate DK put up, and this man and his 'associates' didn't.

That is why his posts get this reaction.

In answer to the question - Knight and Jarrett were twats of the highest order who tried (and it appears, were successful) in persuading Kazim-Richards that he was too good for this club. They happened to be black - get over it

 

[Wardy]

He probably works for LDC as well.

Just because you work for a Liberal Council does not mean you are a Liberal. You have to be 'A' Political. And before you ask no I do not work for LDC but do work for Eastbourne Council.

 

[Happy Seagull]

If we were racist, why would we be signing black players in the 1st place?

 

[ac gull]

would be no great surprise to learn that LK was still in regular contact with CKR telling him he needs to be at a big club with a proper ground etc

Jarrett ending up at Watford has probably made CKR think he is about to sign for Chelsea - as LK is having a word with his "best mate" John Terry!!!