A23 closed at Pyecombe both ways

[Sonic]

What has that got to do with having an over the top rip at LI and providing him with spurious material for him to play the victim?

Absolutely f*** all, but if you remember this started out as a thread about a road accident. I'm simply referring to previous posts of a less petty nature.

 

[Les Biehn]

Absolutely f*** all, but if you remember this started out as a thread about a road accident. I'm simply referring to previous posts of a less petty nature.

Told

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Just to silence those slagging off the old bill, I believe that the delay in re-opening the road was due to the road maintenance people having to attend to repair the central reservation barriers.

The road was re-opened one lane each way while they repaired the crash barrier. When I drove to work around half 7 on the night of the accident the South bound carriage way was fully closed, north bound open 1 lane. There were people in the road with brooms sweeping away the debris, so I am guessing the investigation had finished at the scene and they were about to re-open the road.

When I came home from work around 1am both carriage ways were open single lane and the repair workers were in full swing repairing the central reservation.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

The police always make things worse in these situations. No thought for the frustration caused to other drivers.

Once the accident has happened it has happened. Get it cleared off the road quickly and reopen the road. Max should be a couple of hours. No excuse for anything longer.

The police just enjoy poncing around in their uniforms and screwing up everyone else's day.

OK, OK, I've bitten.

Say one of your family died in that crash.

Would you prefer

(a) a full and thorough investigation into what happened, allowing you some answers at least into how someone you loved met an untimely and sudden end (and also into whether someone else's actions were responsible), thereby providing you and your grieving family with some kind of closure

or

(b) the police to say "f**k it, there's only one person dead. Might as well stick it in the incident log and all go home, after all, the main thing is to minimise inconvenience to the other drivers in the area". And while they're about it, why not pass on the death message to the family by text message, after all, that would save even more time, wouldn't it?

I'm hoping you were joking. If not, your attitude astounds me (and trust me, it takes a lot to do that in my line of work).

 

[dougdeep]

To be fair though Edna I've beeb stuck in hundreds of tailbacks due to accidents, and the organisation is non-existant in most cases. Each major hold-up needs one person in charge.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

To be fair though Edna I've beeb stuck in hundreds of tailbacks due to accidents, and the organisation is non-existant in most cases. Each major hold-up needs one person in charge.

But to be equally fair, how can you see who's in charge or what's really going on from your car?

Serious crashes have to be fully investigated- partly due to the government's road safety guidelines, in case there's something unsafe about the road.

Say the police turned up, all the parties involved were taken away to hospital and the area was cleared up quickly. Then one of the parties subsequently and unexpectedly dies in hospital. You could have a criminal enquiry to carry out, in the same way as if someone was bottled in a nightclub, but you've already lost any evidence.

So if there's the slightest doubt as to whether a traffic collision might turn out to be fatal, they have to err on the side of caution, as they'd be in deep shit if they had no evidence to provide to the inquest/criminal proceedings.

I don't work in Traffic, so I'm no expert, but I do know that investigations into serious collisions are painstaking and surprisingly detailed. They pick up tiny things, like the position of debris, what type of debris, scratch marks in the road from stones in tyres, blood spots, tyre prints etc. Then it all has to be measured, logged and photographed. They have to locate and interview witnesses, in minute detail.

If traffic was allowed through in the meantime, the integrity of any evidence at the scene could be compromised, which in turn could allow a guilty party in any court case to get off on a techicality.

 

[Carrot Cruncher]

But to be equally fair, how can you see who's in charge or what's really going on from your car?

Serious crashes have to be fully investigated- partly due to the government's road safety guidelines, in case there's something unsafe about the road.

Say the police turned up, all the parties involved were taken away to hospital and the area was cleared up quickly. Then one of the parties subsequently and unexpectedly dies in hospital. You could have a criminal enquiry to carry out, in the same way as if someone was bottled in a nightclub, but you've already lost any evidence.

So if there's the slightest doubt as to whether a traffic collision might turn out to be fatal, they have to err on the side of caution, as they'd be in deep shit if they had no evidence to provide to the inquest/criminal proceedings.

I don't work in Traffic, so I'm no expert, but I do know that investigations into serious collisions are painstaking and surprisingly detailed. They pick up tiny things, like the position of debris, what type of debris, scratch marks in the road from stones in tyres, blood spots, tyre prints etc. Then it all has to be measured, logged and photographed. They have to locate and interview witnesses, in minute detail.

If traffic was allowed through in the meantime, the integrity of any evidence at the scene could be compromised, which in turn could allow a guilty party in any court case to get off on a techicality.

Hear hear!

There was a Sussex ambulance outside the entrance to Neuro Intensive care when I left work at 10 last night - made me wonder if one of the victims had been transferred, as we've got quite a specialist unit in Scumhampton.

 

[Beach Hut]

Everyone is quick to slag off the emergency services like this and the really outrageous critical report of them after the bombings in London last year.

I think they do a very good job and deserve better praise.

 

[algie]

Everyone is quick to slag off the emergency services like this and the really outrageous critical report of them after the bombings in London last year.

I think they do a very good job and deserve better praise.

For once i agree with you.

 

[goldstone]

Of course if it was your son/daughter killed you wouldnt want to know what happen/who was to blame.

Actually it would hardly make a whole lot of difference who was to blame. And the police can figure it out just as well in 30 mins as they can in four or five hours. They just enjoy f**king everything up for the rest of us.

 

[goldstone]

OK, OK, I've bitten.

Say one of your family died in that crash.

Would you prefer

(a) a full and thorough investigation into what happened, allowing you some answers at least into how someone you loved met an untimely and sudden end (and also into whether someone else's actions were responsible), thereby providing you and your grieving family with some kind of closure

or

(b) the police to say "f**k it, there's only one person dead. Might as well stick it in the incident log and all go home, after all, the main thing is to minimise inconvenience to the other drivers in the area". And while they're about it, why not pass on the death message to the family by text message, after all, that would save even more time, wouldn't it?

I'm hoping you were joking. If not, your attitude astounds me (and trust me, it takes a lot to do that in my line of work).

No, I wasn't joking.

And with out any doubt if one of my family died I'd prefer (b).

The police can quite well figure out what happened in 30 mins if they put their minds to it.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I've kept out of this discussion so far. But I'll join in now - wearing my transport manager's hat. the one I put on when I am working for an organisation that is not dissimilar to Tower Hamlets Community Transport, whose vehicle was involved in this crash.

Thankfully, serious minibus accidents are fairly rare. Those of us with responsibility for the safety of passengers, drivers and vehicles need to learn from occurrences like this.

The police investigation isn't just about finding out whether there is anyone to blame. It's about uncovering evidence that might be useful in preventing this sort of thing happening again. Some of that needs to be recovered from the site. Other bits of evidence will emerge from off-site investigations.

Inconveniently, it takes a long time to do the job properly. The suggestion that it's a '30 minute job' is absurd.

 

[Father Jack]

Everyone is quick to slag off the emergency services like this and the really outrageous critical report of them after the bombings in London last year.

I think they do a very good job and deserve better praise.

well said that man