8 out of 10 cats

[Questions]

Everyone on PAYE bleating like f*** about Jimmy Carr doing wrong. Ha.

 

[bn1&bn3 Albion]

Watching it on +1 now... I do like Jimmy Car but really enjoying seeing him getting ripped into by the others

 

[Triggaaar]

The point I was making and I think we agree on this, is that it is not "fair" what he did, but unless it is "illegal" it is going to happen.

Yes it is, and when it's someone in the public eye, I think they should be made to pay (with public opinion etc).

I would like to see Cameron make it "illegal" rather than pay lip service to it.

I don't think this is up to Cameron alone, this is up to the public and all MPs. Hypothetically, if all MPs were in on the scheme, a PM would struggle to get them to vote against it. This should matter to people.

 

[RowleyBirkinQ.C(deceased)]

Sorry for not replying sooner, I was watching 8 out of 10.
Jon Richardson acted like he's annoyed with Jimmy, and this won't be the last of it, but I'm concerned they'll let him get away with it. Angus Deyton had Hislop and Merton next to him, and they would never let it go, so Deyton was out. I doubt that'll happen with 8 out of 10, which is a shame. What Jimmy's done is inexcusable, and he shouldn't get away with it.

To most of the guests,it did seen that his misdemeanours either went over their heads, or was slightly humorous. But John Richardson looked pretty pissed off. Nice point that the economy suffers when people like Carr dodge taxes. And nice point that it was slightly hypocritical of Cameron to make political gain out of this, considering that his family fortune was based on his father hiding cash on offshore accounts. As others have said, I think Carr will survive this as dodging tax is seen as more palatable than Deytons sex and drug binge.

 

[Triggaaar]

They should publish the names of everyone who takes out an ISA - name and shame the lot of them for being morally repugnant and using a legal tax avoidance scheme!!

spot on. Are people morally offended or jealous?

Are you two fishing or are you f***ing stupid?

 

[beorhthelm]

i trust you've never engaged in tax avoidance Triggaaar, like a booze/fag cruise or paying a tradesman in cash, or writing off an expense as work related?

he's taken it on the chin, at the end of the day he's not broken any law. amongst all the self rightousness about this, what annoys me is the myth its the preserve of the rich, when the everyday bod does the same. chances are anyone self emplyed or a contractor is carrying out tax avoidance, people work cash in hand (not so much maybe these days) or have assets in trusts for their children. you dont need expensive accounts to minimise your tax within the law.

 

[RowleyBirkinQ.C(deceased)]

I was going to watch it on 4od, but with an attitude like that I wont bother, just to spite you.

Watch it, it was great t.v. And don't be so childish you big poo head

 

[Questions]

The next time any of you hypocrites pay a builder or mechanic cash because you,re getting a bit of a deal, stop and have a think, why don't you.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Hopefully some good will come of this. It's legal but as Carr says he f***ed up. Like Fifa needs goal line technology this government need to shut these schemes down as a matter of priority.

 

[piersa]

Are you two fishing or are you f***ing stupid?

I would bet money you stink of hypocrisy

 

[Triggaaar]

i trust you've never engaged in tax avoidance Triggaaar, like a booze/fag cruise or paying a tradesman in cash, or writing off an expense as work related?

I'm simply stating how I feel. I know, hand on heart, I would never have done what he has done (I'd have tried to get my bill down to 25% odd, if I could). I'm no preacher, I don't pretend to do everything the way it should be done, but I find what he's done upsetting.

he's taken it on the chin

On the chin? He earns £3m a year and doesn't pay his tax, how is going 'mmm, I've got no defence' taking it on the chin? He's dealing with it publicly the way his PR guru has told him to.

what annoys me is the myth its the preserve of the rich, when the everyday bod does the same. chances are anyone self emplyed or a contractor is carrying out tax avoidance, people work cash in hand (not so much maybe these days) or have assets in trusts for their children. you dont need expensive accounts to minimise your tax within the law.

But as I've said above, there's a difference between people trying to save a bit, and someone completely raping the system.

 

[Questions]

Hopefully some good will come of this. It's legal but as Carr says he f***ed up. Like Fifa needs goal line technology this government need to shut these schemes down as a matter of priority.

Yeah like the concern they showed over Sir Phillip.

 

[RowleyBirkinQ.C(deceased)]

The next time any of you hypocrites pay a builder or mechanic cash because you,re getting a bit of a deal, stop and have a think, why don't you.

This is very true, and I can honestly say I've never done this. But to Play devils advocate slightly. Isn't there a difference between Joe Bloggs, trying to make ends meat in difficult times and saving a bit of money. And a millionaire comedian deliberately avoiding paying tax through a dodgy (all be it legal) off shore tax scheme

 

[piersa]

I'm simply stating how I feel. I know, hand on heart, I would never have done what he has done (I'd have tried to get my bill down to 25% odd, if I could). I'm no preacher, I don't pretend to do everything the way it should be done, but I find what he's done upsetting.
On the chin? He earns £3m a year and doesn't pay his tax, how is going 'mmm, I've got no defence' taking it on the chin? He's dealing with it publicly the way his PR guru has told him to.
But as I've said above, there's a difference between people trying to save a bit, and someone completely raping the system.

lol, you lie.

 

[piersa]

I'm simply stating how I feel. I know, hand on heart, I would never have done what he has done (I'd have tried to get my bill down to 25% odd, if I could). I'm no preacher, I don't pretend to do everything the way it should be done, but I find what he's done upsetting.
On the chin? He earns £3m a year and doesn't pay his tax, how is going 'mmm, I've got no defence' taking it on the chin? He's dealing with it publicly the way his PR guru has told him to.
But as I've said above, there's a difference between people trying to save a bit, and someone completely raping the system.

lol, you lie.

 

[Triggaaar]

I would bet money you stink of hypocrisy

You'd lose your money.

lol, you lie.

Nope. I'm on my soap box for this, because it's annoyed me, but my point is that I don't generally go preaching about how right or wrong people are. I don't claim to be whiter than white, and I don't berate others that veer across the line. The point is, this isn't crossing the line, it's way past that.

 

[beorhthelm]

But as I've said above, there's a difference between people trying to save a bit, and someone completely raping the system.

no, there really isnt, only the numbers involved differ. an IT contractor could be paying only £500 a year tax using the same practice. think of it like this, at even 1% he most certainly paid more tax than you and the vast majority of the population.

the solution to this of course is a simpler tax system, dare i say flat tax. but certain groups of politicians wont entertain these ideas because they cant favor their prefered cohort or say such a system isnt "progressive" as if thats the most important part of taxation.

 

[Triggaaar]

no, there really isnt, only the numbers involved differ. an IT contractor could be paying only £500 a year tax using the same practice.

I disagree with you, I think that IT consultant would also be out of order, just not to the same greedy extreme. Like for example, most of us think that there should be a higher rate of tax, be it 40%, 50% or whatever. We think that those earning large sums should pay a higher percentage, so although I think it's wrong for anyone to be paying 1%, I think it's worse when the person earns a vast sum.

think of it like this, at even 1% he most certainly paid more tax than you and the vast majority of the population.

I know, but I don't think that matters one jot.

 

[Acker79]

I disagree with you, I think that IT consultant would also be out of order, just not to the same greedy extreme. Like for example, most of us think that there should be a higher rate of tax, be it 40%, 50% or whatever. We think that those earning large sums should pay a higher percentage, so although I think it's wrong for anyone to be paying 1%, I think it's worse when the person earns a vast sum.
I know, but I don't think that matters one jot.

Why? Usually, people who earn more money do so because they have worked for it, developed a skill, gone to medical school, law school, or perfected a craft or particular skill. Why should they dedicate their life to something, and then be charged more for it?

 

[Triggaaar]

We think that those earning large sums should pay a higher percentage

Why? Usually, people who earn more money do so because they have worked for it, developed a skill, gone to medical school, law school, or perfected a craft or particular skill. Why should they dedicate their life to something, and then be charged more for it?

Maybe you think the top rate of tax should be 20%, and that's fine, I'm just saying that's not what most people think.