They always prioritise purity over power. They’re one of the greatest electoral assets the Tory party have.
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[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......
- Thread starter nevergoagain
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Labour is the only sensible party to lead the UK at the moment.
I’ll do whatever it takes to get the Tory’s out.
Labour lost my respect though when they hired Natalie Elphicke.
I’ll do whatever it takes to get the Tory’s out.
Labour lost my respect though when they hired Natalie Elphicke.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It’s funny (peculiar) because the Green Party is further left than Labour, so the ‘purists’ do have somewhere to go.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Absolutely, and I’ll never judge anyone for voting the way their heart tells them to (except BNP or outright racist groups I suppose). I just don’t understand why Labour *supporters* are providing the biggest opposition to their sweeping a landslide in the election.
There seems to be little understanding of their world and opinions outside of the “we’re right, you’re wrong” hard left bubble. Compromise. The art of the possible.
Policy is never enacted in opposition. Win, get a huge majority, THEN enact policy.
I think after 14 years of corrupt Tory leadership, people have forgotten how a party is supposed to behave.
You don’t just start shouting three word slogans and ignore all the rules.
Patience. Thought. Consideration.
This is what I want to see in a leadership party.
Not Boris Johnson careening down a zip wire or Liz Truss yelling about cheese.
You don’t just start shouting three word slogans and ignore all the rules.
Patience. Thought. Consideration.
This is what I want to see in a leadership party.
Not Boris Johnson careening down a zip wire or Liz Truss yelling about cheese.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I don’t think large majorities are a good thing. I agree compromise is good, and my position on PR still stands. Only Britain and Belarus have FPTP.
Moderation in everything.
armchairclubber
Well-known member
Agree. I'd add that I think there will be some inspiring selective independent candidates (or perhaps others) that can be considered without any danger of the Tories retaining power.
I don't get the agenda from some, that comes across to me at least, as Labour needing to win every seat regardless of candidate.
aolstudios
Well-known member
This ^
Every word
- Oct 17, 2008
- 12,763
On the other hand, the largest true democracies in the world use FPTP, the US, India, Canada…
I’d like to see electoral reform, but your post pretty much sums up my feelings towards the hard left. A lack of pragmatism.
These ARE the rules. Play the game. Win. THEN try and enact change. Playing by one’s own set of oh so pure and ethical rules - and losing again and again - isn’t exactly likely to bring about the change you want to see.
Pragmatism. Compromise. Play the same game as everyone else, then when in power, try and change things.
aolstudios
Well-known member
A lot of the hardcore nutters have & the Greens have welcomed them with open arms. I await their future implosion with interest
The Lemming Stomper
Under the flag
Well, Labour have lost my vote by getting rid of Russell-Moyle...
I wrote to him during the pandemic as I fell 'between the cracks' getting no furlough, self employment help or Universal credit...
He/his team wrote back offering a solution which worked, unlike any other advice I sought which was useless or ignored...I will forever be grateful to him...
Hardly a 'purist' but the Greens have just gained a vote
I wrote to him during the pandemic as I fell 'between the cracks' getting no furlough, self employment help or Universal credit...
He/his team wrote back offering a solution which worked, unlike any other advice I sought which was useless or ignored...I will forever be grateful to him...
Hardly a 'purist' but the Greens have just gained a vote
Mellor 3 Ward 4
Well-known member
Sure they do, and we need (controlled )immigration.
But NETT inward migration of 800,000 people a year is not (IMO) sustainable.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Immigration is indeed out of control (thanks Tories) - every public service is breaking under the strain, but obviously most of all the NHS. Which is woefully underfunded and mismanaged (thanks again Tories)
ROSM
Well-known member
Faiza Shaheen by her own admission on newsnight last night , posted some ill thought out comments that that are in her words 'regrettable'.
For some people, using social media is like giving zebedee from magic roundabout a machine gun.
As a member of the Brighton kemptown and peacehaven Labour Party, clearly everybody is disappointed for Lloyd. He has been an effective constituency MP
The complaint was only received last week I understand and is serious. No party should have a candidate under investigation standing. It does look like it has been timed for maximum damage and let's not forget the tories have made an industry out of making vexatious complaints about opponents. I hope he is cleared and I note his statement doesn't contain any criticism of the party or leadership (far from it)
As for Diane Abbot. This is now turning into a self fulfilling prophecy. Nobody has said to her she is barred. The leader has said she isn't barred. Her behaviour and reaction now makes it nigh on impossible she can stand as a labour candidate so it ends up as predicted by her but not for the reasons. Having seen her at the rally last night her 'speech' lacked details and was playing to the gallery.
Yep. Fact is that their views are very different to the vast majority of the population's. They want the whole of the population to think exactly like them, but they never ever will. I cannot fathom the point of being in politics if you know you have literally zero chance of ever getting into power and actually being able to make change happen, and can only bitch and moan from the sidelines. I guess that is some people's skillset.
This Luke Akehurst.
Is too much to ask to have MPs that represent our (the UK people's) interests and not a hard right genocidal state.
dejavuatbtn
Well-known member
She has an air of arrogance about her that I find quite disturbing. It would be a shame if her legacy was to try and bring the whole thing down.
deletebeepbeepbeep
Well-known member
- May 12, 2009
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Night of the long knives for Labour.
Good post.
I note that Faiza Shaheen was seemingly very impressive and popular and was likely to win her seat.
There is no way Corbyn would have allowed this to happen to her over a liked tweet (having been guilty of that himself) but in the same way he wasn’t electable and was responsible for allowing joke human being Johnson to become PM (by putting himself forward as a leader when he had very few leadership skills)
A zero tolerance on antisemitism is one of the key pillars of Labour’s election campaign as it should be. That means, if you put your foot over the line, even if it’s by a millimetre, you are out. End of.