[Albion] You're the ref: Veltman v Rice

[AZ Gull]

The issue is the lack of consistency. We’d have been furious if it was given the other way.

Do I think Veltman did anything wrong? No, not in the slightest.

Did Rice do something that deserved a yellow? Barely. If that’s a yellow, we may as well all pack up our bags now.

Why? It's a deliberate act to prevent a free-kick being taken by the opposition. It's a yellow card.

 

[tigertim68]

Veltman did nothing wrong. If Rice had not kicked the ball away then Veltman would not have made contact with him. Red card all day long.

Spot on

 

[tigertim68]

Why? It's a deliberate act to prevent a free-kick being taken by the opposition. It's a yellow card.

You get a yellow card for deliberately kicking the ball away

 

[zefarelly]

Ref got it spot on.

Arsetwatter should vent his spleen on his own player, no one else gives a shit. Odious grease bag

 

[Mr deez]

But who was he kicking the ball to? I really don't think Veltman was actually taking the free-kick and passing it to a teammate. He knew exactly what he was doing.

That may be true but does that make a difference? If Rice hadn't broken the rules it wouldn't have happened. Veltman was within his rights to play the free kick, it just so happens he opted to do so quickly.

Yes there's gamesmanship at play but nothing more serious than players 'winning' free kicks by going down softly when they could play on.

Rice knows the rules and knows he broke them, there's no surprise.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Why? It's a deliberate act to prevent a free-kick being taken by the opposition. It's a yellow card.

He barely moved the ball. And stuff like that happens minimum 3-4 times a game. He could’ve legitimately argued he just tried to knock it backwards to Veltman.

Anyway, it’s a difference of opinion. I get why the decision was made, but I don’t agree with it, and it leaves far too much to interpretation. And it could lead to a lot of games being turned by innocuous things like this.

 

[AZ Gull]

..., and it leaves far too much to interpretation. ...

Surely about 95% of refereeing is interpretation.

 

[Littlemo]

Tbh I would have just had a word and told them both to stop being knobs. No cards. Let’s face it it’s a soft yellow for Rice, not worth being a yellow for a sending off as players do it all the time. I’d be utterly raging if one of our players were sent off for that.

Veltman was more a yellow for me, but if I were letting Rice off I’d let him off as well. He didn’t actually make much contact with Rice anyway.

Probably why I’m not a ref

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Surely about 95% of refereeing is interpretation.

Absolutely. And the referee in this instance interpreted this one way, interpreted Joao’s kick away a different way. One led to a yellow that led to a red that left Arsenal 1-0 down. Inconsistency of interpretation.

As I said, if this was the other way around, we’d be furious.

 

[Chicken Run]

You get a yellow card for deliberately kicking the ball away

I haven’t read the entire thread but why wasn’t Pedro given a yellow card for his version of kicking the ball away?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The ref got it spot on imo.

However, the shithousery from our Joel was magnificent. So good that the Arsenal supporters didn’t seem to notice - he was not booed at all after the incident.

I love Joel Veltman.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Anyone else initially assume the red card was for Veltman?

 

[aolstudios]

We’d be seething had that been the other way round let’s be honest.

At our player.
For being a moron

 

[Weststander]

Anyone else initially assume the red card was for Veltman?

Would that be an instinctive "shirley a ref wouldn't send off an Arse player at home".

 

[Uh_huh_him]

We’d be seething had that been the other way round let’s be honest.

Yes but most of us would be seething at our player for being such a twat.

 

[Originunknown]

Take a bow Joel

 

[Deadly Danson]

I haven’t read the entire thread but why wasn’t Pedro given a yellow card for his version of kicking the ball away?

For added comedy value.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Would that be instinctive because "shirley a ref wouldn't send off an Arse player at home".

Most of the Arsenal fans above us.

 

[Surrey Phil]

I haven’t read the entire thread but why wasn’t Pedro given a yellow card for his version of kicking the ball away?

Because the ball went into touch and we’ve now got multi ball, so an Arsenal player could have just taken a thrown in with another ball. Rice’s booking was for preventing us taking a quick free kick which the new rules this season are designed to clamp down on!

 

[Diablo]

Anyone else initially assume the red card was for Veltman?

I thought Veltman would be carded but not a red so was horrified when red card came out but then wow Rice !! Presume ref joined brighton last gasp in transfer window!!!