[Cricket] Yorkshire cricket.end off

[A1X]

Not seen Gary Ballance handle something this badly since he last faced some test match quality bowling

 

[Dave the OAP]

Quite. What happened between Gary Ballance and him is a sideshow. If it was consented behaviour between them then Ballance has no case to answer even if the language used was regrettable.

I don't know anything about the other issues excepting that some were upheld.

I tire of the media coverage here though. Even the BBC didn't report the Gary Ballance statement in full.

This is the problem. Yorkshire took no action. So it's important to first here from them the full reasoning behind this.

Is there to be an MP select committee thingy ? I'd rather it be an independent hearing than MPs trying to elevate their moral stature. It's not like some of them don't have form...

If Yorkshire have allowed a culture of racism to fester then it should be addressed. But given that Rafiq was made captain, it does seem at odds. They need to explain themselves fully and all the facts need to be considered for a proper judgement. Being a cricket devotee and one that thinks that the game is a great opportunity for different groups in society to come together I find myself keenly following what is happening here.

But I'm not starting at a default anti-Yorkshire position. I just want to hear the facts.

I tend to agree, and just as I am Yorkie doesn’t mean I have white rose coloured specs. I think there is a bigger picture here and with the current climate, quite rightly, all aspects of racism and perceived racism are scrutinised to death. The fact that thenBBC has rolled out Dan Roan,who is the harbinger of doom for sport ( a bit like Witchell and the Royals) means this will run and run.

I can see every club being made to provide evidence that they are not racist and have never had cause to bury this as obviously Yorkshire CC tried to do.

 

[GOM]

OK then. So my stance on Ballance is that if Rafiq doesn't come out and contradict his statement, then they way mates choose to address each other is their business and should not be conflated with the wider issues at YCCC

If Rafiq does contradict it, then Ballance is a racist and a liar.

Is that how things work ? Balllance has set out his side but if Rafiq doesn't agree, it's Ballance that is the liar ?

 

[Seaview Seagull]

The debate about yccc is in danger of being sidetracked by arguments about what is/is not ok between friends.
Yccc have behaved very suspiciously throughout. Back in September an industrial tribunal judge ordered them to release the whole Newport by 8 October and they still haven't done that.

 

[Eeyore]

I tend to agree, and just as I am Yorkie doesn’t mean I have white rose coloured specs. I think there is a bigger picture here and with the current climate, quite rightly, all aspects of racism and perceived racism are scrutinised to death. The fact that thenBBC has rolled out Dan Roan,who is the harbinger of doom for sport ( a bit like Witchell and the Royals) means this will run and run.

I can see every club being made to provide evidence that they are not racist and have never had cause to bury this as obviously Yorkshire CC tried to do.

I agree with what your saying.

What we see here is a snapshot of my wider frustrations. The media wanting blood for the masses and few saying 'Let's step back and try and be sensible about this. Let's make things right and not judge until we have we have the full picture'.

We know that there should be no negotiation with racism. We don't want it. But also it is important to give folk a chance to explain themselves.

it's the whole herd thing and absolutist attitudes. I was even nervous about offering a counter view for consideration about Ballance because the herd were already leading him to the stake. But, given that folk know I am no PPF, I wanted to offer the stand back and breath scenario.

I wouldn't normally be that bothered, but being so devoted to cricket and knowing that racism is certainly not institutional in the way it once was, it really irks me to see folk trying to make moral capital out of situation they know little of. And if Ballance is telling the truth I actually feel sorry for him that this has blown up.

Of course, if Yorkshire have chosen to ignore an issue that is in full context then they have done wrong.

 

[Springal]

I agree with what your saying.

What we see here is a snapshot of my wider frustrations. The media wanting blood for the masses and few saying 'Let's step back and try and be sensible about this. Let's make things right and not judge until we have we have the full picture'.

We know that there should be no negotiation with racism. We don't want it. But also it is important to give folk a chance to explain themselves.

it's the whole herd thing and absolutist attitudes. I was even nervous about offering a counter view for consideration about Ballance because the herd were already leading him to the stake. But, given that folk know I am no PPF, I wanted to offer the stand back and breath scenario.

I wouldn't normally be that bothered, but being so devoted to cricket and knowing that racism is certainly not institutional in the way it once was, it really irks me to see folk trying to make moral capital out of situation they know little of. And if Ballance is telling the truth I actually feel sorry for him that this has blown up.

Of course, if Yorkshire have chosen to ignore an issue that is in full context then they have done wrong.

Is it not pretty simple? Could you call someone in your workplace a p*ki and keep your job? Yes / no? I know I Wouldn't regardless of any circumstances. But this isn't even about one incident it is about a whole culture that existed at that time - and was not dealt with when reported

Why Yorkshire haven't or won't release the report that decided they took no action is not helping either

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Rafiq was an obnoxious **** when playing for Yorkshire at Hove. Choosing to deliberately provoke spectators in a really unpleasant way that I haven't witnessed more than once or twice in 50 years watching county cricket.

I'm not sure if this is relevant.

 

[Seaview Seagull]

Rafiq was an obnoxious **** when playing for Yorkshire at Hove. Choosing to deliberately provoke spectators in a really unpleasant way that I haven't witnessed more than once or twice in 50 years watching county cricket.

I'm not sure if this is relevant.

It's not relevant.

 

[carlzeiss]

Can’t stand Yorkshire CC , their original policy of only picking players who were born in the county was a thinly veiled attempt to ensure those of an ethnic background didn’t play for them, nasty horrible club, hope they suffer for this!!!


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Unlikely as the unwritten policy of only selecting Yorkshire born cricketers dated back to 1863

 

[rippleman]

Apologies if fixtures but this report on Yorkshire CCC long history of issues regarding race, and Asian cricketers in Yorkshire in particular, is most enlightening.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...e-felt-alienated-in-yorkshire-cricket-1232864

 

[schmunk]

Ok then, great and self righteous ones on here, is this a racist statement as by inference being born and raised in Zimbabwe automatically makes you a racist?

Does NSC tolerate racist overtones?

Just asking

That's your inference, not my implication.

 

[Chicken Run]

Unlikely as the unwritten policy of only selecting Yorkshire born cricketers dated back to 1863

Alright then, ‘outsiders’ [emoji6]


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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Unlikely as the unwritten policy of only selecting Yorkshire born cricketers dated back to 1863

It came in very handy after the 1950s, though, making the country absurdly disproportionately represented by white players.

That said, the numbers of 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation British Asians in county cricket is ludicrously low.

Below is the current Surrey squad. That's the county that covers Lambeth, Southwark, Croydon....

Only 2 out of 27 have a British Asian background, and one of those is calley Ryan!



And here is Warwickshire, a county heaving with British Asians. One out of 25.



This isn't like football which has little traction in the 'former colonies'.

I smell institutional racism

 

[Martlet]

You're absolutely right - it's a massive issue, but I feel for the counties in this. With virtually no cricket played in English State Schools, the entire home-grown catchment for the counties comes from private schools and the club system (although these are pretty synonymous).

You only need to look at the kids coming into the Sussex team to see that they are all white, private-school educated. The schools compete for ex-Pros to come and teach the kids (eg Sussex coaches Kirtley and Salisbury were at Bede's and Trinity), and the vast majority of the kids are from white, well-off families.

It's desperately sad that asian communities who love cricket aren't finding a pathway through to the professional game - it should be something the ECB is all over, funding grass-roots development, but the budget gets swallowed in central contracts and baubles...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[carlzeiss]

You're absolutely right - it's a massive issue, but I feel for the counties in this. With virtually no cricket played in English State Schools, the entire home-grown catchment for the counties comes from private schools and the club system (although these are pretty synonymous).

You only need to look at the kids coming into the Sussex team to see that they are all white, private-school educated. The schools compete for ex-Pros to come and teach the kids (eg Sussex coaches Kirtley and Salisbury were at Bede's and Trinity), and the vast majority of the kids are from white, well-off families.

It's desperately sad that asian communities who love cricket aren't finding a pathway through to the professional game - it should be something the ECB is all over, funding grass-roots development, but the budget gets swallowed in central contracts and baubles...

Having worked at Eastbourne college and seen the facilities available compared with the school I attended I can totally understand why a significant number of pro cricketers emerge from a public school educated back ground .

https://www.eastbourne-college.co.uk/college-continues-cricket/

 

[Dave the OAP]

Having worked at Eastbourne college and seen the facilities available compared with the school I attended I can totally understand why a significant number of pro cricketers emerge from a public school educated back ground .

https://www.eastbourne-college.co.uk/college-continues-cricket/

I played cricket for South Western Schoolboys and Wiltshire Schoolboys and I was only 1 of 2 state school cricketers!

I turned up with my own bat and whites and was presented with a jumper with a badge and a tie. ( I was 13 and 14) my teammates turned up with full kit bags, pads, gloves, bats etc….some of the “ batters” had four or five to be unused dependant on the weather. One game we were playing Somerset and we were driven to Marlborough school to play and I couldn’t believe my eyes. The changing rooms were bigger that our whole PE a area at our school in Melksham. We had a lunch which was nothing like the school dinners we were served.

In all the games I played, there was only 1 Asian player who seemly his father was a diplomat from Indonesia

 

[bobbysmith01]

We only had a concrete wicket at west Tarring in Worthing, no wonder the shot I could play was 'on the up' as all deliveries were.

This is a good debate re racism as people can make a 'racist' comment and not be racist. Eg the Australian cricket commentators call the Pakistanis by their shortened nick name, like we call them Aussies, Windies etc not racist.

We had a Muslim guy at work who called us loads of names, and turned up the day after the London bombings with a ruck sack on saying ' I bet you guys are pooing yourselves', now In very bad taste but most people just ignored it.

The thing is that if this went on in Yorkshire cc as indeed it looks like it has, it's also bullying, no matter what colours or creed and heads should roll.


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[Nobby Cybergoat]

I genuinely believe that most cricket clubs, like other sporting institutions will employ or play anyone who will help them to win matches (OK YCCC have their thing about people from inside Yorkshire playing for them, but that's not exclusive, I mean, they have overseas players).

I don't see the lack of representation of black or asian players in cricket as overt racism by the clubs involved. More to do the narrow field of selection from which prospective players are drawn, in particular with the public school class, from which cricketers come from. I can't think of a single what you would call "working class" cricketer. Who is the cricketing Wayne Rooney for example? I really don't think there is one. Cricket either hasn't tried hard enough or hasn't succeeding in reaching beyond it's well off support base

Many sports are equally non diverse. Rugby, swimming, cycling etc etc

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

I genuinely believe that most cricket clubs, like other sporting institutions will employ or play anyone who will help them to win matches (OK YCCC have their thing about people from inside Yorkshire playing for them, but that's not exclusive, I mean, they have overseas players).

I don't see the lack of representation of black or asian players in cricket as overt racism by the clubs involved. More to do the narrow field of selection from which prospective players are drawn, in particular with the public school class, from which cricketers come from. I can't think of a single what you would call "working class" cricketer. Who is the cricketing Wayne Rooney for example? I really don't think there is one. Cricket either hasn't tried hard enough or hasn't succeeding in reaching beyond it's well off support base

Many sports are equally non diverse. Rugby, swimming, cycling etc etc

Plenty of cricketers come from working class backgrounds (a lot of the Asian players to start with).

I don't know who the last player for England to come from a Wayne Rooney type background would be, but as far as I know somebody like Anderson had a "normal" upbringing. Going further back there were plenty of players from mining or farming backgrounds who's childhood would have made Rooney's look like an Enid Blyton story.

There's increasingly an issue of a hugely disproportionate number of players coming through from public schools, but that's a relatively recent problem as far as the extent of it is concerned. Indeed the reason why it's so annoying is that cricket in this country had large working class (and black / West Indian for that matter) fan bases and managed to alienate most of them, and seems determined to try and do the same with the Asian fans.