Yet another piece of UKIP brilliance

[Herr Tubthumper]

And yet there isn't a single data law for the whole of the EU. Every country has enacted a law but none are the same. Fro example you can't have encrypted data in France unless you're willing for the government to have access to the keys. The British government is so concerned by this that in many of it's contracts with it's suppliers it actively bans them from holding any data outside the UK boarders and it isn't just the type of data you'd imagine like defence or security services stuff it is mundane stuff like TfL fine data etc. Capita found out this to their cost when they wanted to move large parts of their operations to Poland ( and indeed India ) only for the government to block it.

I was referring to the Cancer Research example which relates to personal identifiable information (PII) and sensitive personal identifiable information (SPII) which is EU wide: EU Data Protection Directive (EUDP)

 

[portslade seagull]

Yet more racist Tweets, emails and comment in the press today from UKIP councilors and more examples of members hiring cheap foreign labour. I'm embarrassed these clowns have been voted in. Embarrassed we have a party with seemingly no vetting process which allows any idiot to stand (I have heard some interesting stories about thick UKIP councillors seemingly unable to understand town planning meetings) and more so the idiots who vote for these hypocrites.

You need to read some of the columnists in the papers, its seems the only ones slinging mud are the major parties because they know they have left it too late. If your embarrassed for UKIP you should be equally embarrassed for the other parties who all have there own secrets hidden away just waiting for the main ' gun fight at the Westminster corral ' when the election comes around. You seem to have some delusional hatred for UKIP

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You need to read some of the columnists in the papers, its seems the only ones slinging mud are the major parties because they know they have left it too late. If your embarrassed for UKIP you should be equally embarrassed for the other parties who all have there own secrets hidden away just waiting for the main ' gun fight at the Westminster corral ' when the election comes around. You seem to have some delusional hatred for UKIP

No one is slinging mud. The Tweets are out there for all to see and make your own judgement. And Nigel Farrange himself has said their vetting has failed. Hatred? I'm just stating facts.

 

[looney]

Surely the main parties are very happy for people to ridicule the fringe or minor parties. I would suggest they do get it, they just don't think it is worth worrying about. Never needed to before so why bother now? The arrogance of power perhaps?

I think I probably am part of a political group that don't get it I think we all are. We see on here how often and how easy it is to get involved in childish name calling and bickering when engaged in political or social debate. I would suggest that all political groups don't get it, this is why they behave so poorly in the media and in parliament.

Your argument seems to run parallel to one that if 1 leftwinger could be produced calling a black a ****** ipso facto all leftwingers are closet hillbilly racist types. Sound absurd? Let me put it into context for you.

Calling UKIP racists, little Englanders is just another example/extension of the lefts inability to seperate the center ground from extremists, these are just more ad hominem terms to add to the phobias, the isms the deniers, a term for every issue say.

Just because there are some choice insults to aim at the greens does not in anyway create a parity or deflect from the fact the centre left is now beginning to come unstuck as people disengage from this type of politics. "that bigoted woman" comment at the last election being a big hint.

The other problem with your point is that Greens are "for" something and UKIP against. IT is therefor not hard for the center parties to hive of the good bits from the greens leaving them the irrational/anti-science crap and therefor becoming more of a joke.

Wereas to tackle UKIP its not possible to pretend to leave EUrope, they, the elites, have to try to ride it out and hope the balloon doesn't go up or they jump ship at the right time.

 

[Captain Sensible]

You need to read some of the columnists in the papers, its seems the only ones slinging mud are the major parties because they know they have left it too late. If your embarrassed for UKIP you should be equally embarrassed for the other parties who all have there own secrets hidden away just waiting for the main ' gun fight at the Westminster corral ' when the election comes around. You seem to have some delusional hatred for UKIP

I wouldn't say his hatred is delusional, I also have a hatred of racist political parties of which ukip are showing themselves as one with their candidates constant faux pas. Most of which involve racism in some form.

 

[brighton bluenose]

European politics and the media empires that support it are corrupt to the core

It is not that ukip are not what they seem, the problem is people support them because they believe they are the only option

Not many people would trust mr farage to babysit their kids for a week yet most that would vote ukip would have him run the nation without any questions

These people are near or mostly millionaires with little or no love for the uk, it's people or it's national cultures.

They serve their financial backers and obey whomever their handlers are

They are not patriots, none of them.

As it stands the uk state is engaged in various coups financing and arming jihadis, protecting corrupt bankers and orchestrating yet another illegal annexation with the USA regime

Promoting farage as an archetypal Robin Hood is ridiculous the man is far from being a nationalist. Whatever he once was he is not now.

Eu members of parliament have no powers of legislation, Power lies in the unnamed unelected commission members

If you vote ukip as some kind of stupid statement meaning you wish to leave the eu, then your waisting a vote

Inform yourself, ukip have no power, they can never remove the uk from the eu or stop eu law super ceding British law


That part or their cause is a big hoax, none of the uk parties plan on leaving the EU.

You are clearly pissed mate!

 

[portslade seagull]

No one is slinging mud. The Tweets are out there for all to see and make your own judgement. And Nigel Farrange himself has said their vetting has failed. Hatred? I'm just stating facts.

I think your find vetting has failed for all the parties they just seem to be the ones under the sustained attack in an attempt to discredit them but its probably just hardening voters minds to support them because they see it as just that.
My Dad who has been labour all his life and was a shop steward for over 30yrs to 400 plus workers has now decided to due labour and cons inability to deal with immigration that UKIP will be who he votes for in future and that is something I thought I would never see.

 

[BadFish]

Your argument seems to run parallel to one that if 1 leftwinger could be produced calling a black a ****** ipso facto all leftwingers are closet hillbilly racist types. Sound absurd? Let me put it into context for you.

Calling UKIP racists, little Englanders is just another example/extension of the lefts inability to seperate the center ground from extremists, these are just more ad hominem terms to add to the phobias, the isms the deniers, a term for every issue say.

Just because there are some choice insults to aim at the greens does not in anyway create a parity or deflect from the fact the centre left is now beginning to come unstuck as people disengage from this type of politics. "that bigoted woman" comment at the last election being a big hint.

The other problem with your point is that Greens are "for" something and UKIP against. IT is therefor not hard for the center parties to hive of the good bits from the greens leaving them the irrational/anti-science crap and therefor becoming more of a joke.

Wereas to tackle UKIP its not possible to pretend to leave EUrope, they, the elites, have to try to ride it out and hope the balloon doesn't go up or they jump ship at the right time.

I think it would be wonderful if people did disengage with 'this type of politics' but from what I can see there is no evidence to suggest that is happening (not on this board anyway). If you are right and in the rest of the UK people are engaging in intelligent politucal debate rather than name calling and slanging matched then I hope that Australia follows suit because the political debate over here has been nothing short of embarrassing over the last few years.

 

[nicko31]

I think it would be wonderful if people did disengage with 'this type of politics' but from what I can see there is no evidence to suggest that is happening (not on this board anyway). If you are right and in the rest of the UK people are engaging in intelligent politucal debate rather than name calling and slanging matched then I hope that Australia follows suit because the political debate over here has been nothing short of embarrassing over the last few years.

Seems Farage has a lot in common with your Tony Abbott (though he isn't much good at triathalons). Can you give him a visa, he can top up his tan?

 

[BadFish]

Seems Farage has a lot in common with your Tony Abbott (though he isn't much good at triathalons). Can you give him a visa, he can top up his tan?

We can swap if you like. Tony Abbot is far far worse and has managed to become PM. Terrifying stuff.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

According to the UKIP Deputy Party Chairman Neil Hamilton, the Guardian recently reported:

Is he really? The same Neil Hamilton? Ha ha

 

[mc.joo.1]

You would not catch a pole sitting on his arse looking sorry for himself. He'd be looking for work.

Hmm

 

[Irish_Seagull]

You are clearly pissed mate!

Maybe you have mummy issues?

 

[Irish_Seagull]

I think it is even more fundamental, the one advantage Farage has on all his rivals is that he has not lied or deceived the electorate in the past.

Every time he implies that if he won every uk seat in Strasbourg the Uk will leave the EU he lies.

They will never win any election

He may of course be cut from the same cloth as other politicians, however he is getting the benefit of the doubt at the moment.

From who?

In the eyes of much of the public Politicians who seek to expose him as a fraud are just being hypocritical

UKIP will NEVER win a general election they can never deliver anything they pledge.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

According to a Nat West report in 2012, it was believed there were 4.6 million British people living and working abroad. According to the Daily Mail the number of foreign workers in Britain totals 2.4 million.

So we all benefit from migration. We live in a transient world. It's life now.

But most of the people who leave this country, leave to retire. When the British went out to Spain for example they bought new properties. That created a whole new industry which employed millions of Spanish people, from Builders through to Solicitors. The complete reverse has happened in the UK. I certainly don't feel any better off because of it, no matter how many times our government tell us how good this is for our economy.
The area just feels as though it is getting busier and busier.

I'm not seeing reports of millions of Brits leaving for jobs in Eastern Europe where most of the workers have come from.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Every time he implies that if he won every uk seat in Strasbourg the Uk will leave the EU he lies.

When exactly has he said that ? Or might you be putting words in his mouth ?

They will never win any election
UKIP will NEVER win a general election they can never deliver anything they pledge.

I think you might have misunderstood the purpose of UKIP ! They'll happily admit they are never likely to govern. That said I remember people saying that when the SDP formed and again when they morphed into the Lib Dems. "They'll never take power" hmmmmm .......

 

[Nibble]

Farage is as much of a dick as all the others. Last year he was bragging that he had "2 Million off the taxpayer", whatever that was about I dunno but he is quoted as saying it. He employed his GERMAN wife as his secretary and publically stated that "No-one in the UK could do the job, they wouldn't want the hours". Doesn't that fly directly in the face of EVERYTHING he claims to stand for. He's profiteering, ceaseless little tit. I know UKIP supporters are not the brightest buttons in the box but don't fall for his hogwash.

 

[Goldstone1976]

slightly off topic,(but only slightly)

I turned up at Mooroopna in the 80`s with a couple of friends to do some pear picking,well actually we got the jobs through some employment thingy called the CES(think thats what it was called).Turns out the CES had been recruiting backpackers like me over Aussies because we worked for less dosh.I wasnt aware of any of this until we turned up to the orchard and the Aussies decided 3 more pommies was too much to add to the other 6 so they all went on strike.

We endured a few hours of foreign scum chants,various racist banter,couple of death threats if i remember and a fairly unpleasant friday afternoon.

Realising we were facing a very hostile crowd of 60+ very angry and very unionised aussies the 9 of us retreated to the pub and did what the English do best,we got exceptionally drunk,then stocked up on lashings of booze from the bottle shop,went back to the camp,barricaded ourselves into the common areas and fought drunken battles with the aussies until dawn.

The place was wrecked and the camping area resembled a napalm strike but at 8am the head Aussie blooded and bruised called off the strike saying we were damn good blokes.

And the moral of the story is.................

....only war resolves complex issues? Surely not.

 

[portslade seagull]

Farage is as much of a dick as all the others. Last year he was bragging that he had "2 Million off the taxpayer", whatever that was about I dunno but he is quoted as saying it. He employed his GERMAN wife as his secretary and publically stated that "No-one in the UK could do the job, they wouldn't want the hours". Doesn't that fly directly in the face of EVERYTHING he claims to stand for. He's profiteering, ceaseless little tit. I know UKIP supporters are not the brightest buttons in the box but don't fall for his hogwash.

I don't understand you Nibbs you seem to belittle anyone who doesn't follow your pattern of thinking, you either call the racist (which seem to be your favourite and thick, stupid .... were you bullied at school or were you the Bully.... some people maybe will not ever think along the same lines so you will need to get used to it and accept it, then maybe your bitterness you feel will won't be so bad

 

[Eeyore]

But most of the people who leave this country, leave to retire. When the British went out to Spain for example they bought new properties. That created a whole new industry which employed millions of Spanish people, from Builders through to Solicitors. The complete reverse has happened in the UK. I certainly don't feel any better off because of it, no matter how many times our government tell us how good this is for our economy.
The area just feels as though it is getting busier and busier.

I'm not seeing reports of millions of Brits leaving for jobs in Eastern Europe where most of the workers have come from.

I agree with you, and I'm not foolish enough to think that sudden increases in immigration can cause problems for our infrastructure. I do worry about the attitudes towards migrants, though, and some in UKIP merely exacerbate this.