Would you change your referendum vote?

[Grombleton]

It wasnt thrown as an insult, thats my point, it was an obsevation.

Was it a necessary one? Could you have gone about your day without feeling the need to say it?

 

[alfredmizen]

I asked another poster if he thought it was not at all in Britains self interest to fight the Nazi's.

Which prompted from you, "The Germans offered us an armistice, they would have europe, we would keep the empire, we turned them down."

Not only reinventing 20th century history, now trying to reinvent stuff you posted in this thread minutes ago!

I understand you believe Britain chose to fight the Nazi's just because it was the right thing to do, but it was not quite as simple as that. I also understand and am disgusted by your belief that everyone else in Europe "chose" to roll over and not fight, and if they died it was less heroic than Brits dying, because they had no choice, they were being invaded. Well in 1939, we had conscription, so little choice for our boys either, is their sacrifice less because they were conscripts rather than volunteers?

There is always a choice, often a bad one and a terrible one, and I hope we never have to make choices of that magnitude again.

Show me EXACTLY where i said that ? And they did offer us an armistice, why do you think hess was sent here.

 

[Mellotron]

Brilliant.

We've met once, briefly in a pub in Lewes, when I stopped in for twenty minutes to collect something from a friend. You later (on line, rather than at the time, in real life) professed that I was 'wet' for refusing to drink more than one pint (as I was driving). Its an interesting observation though - this autism thing. Its not something I've ever been told before, in any of the varied circles of my life.

Do you find that people often seem uncharacteristically uncomfortable in your presence?

So just to confirm

Not a drink driver = autistic.



Interesting................................I shall pursue further research.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

It wasnt thrown as an insult.

Of course it was, you nasty, pathetic oaf.

Just for clarity - your observation was a poor one. I am not autistic so easy to shrug off, though I do take offence on behalf of friends who are, and whose children are, that you throw it around as a playground insult.

Like I've said, if my demeanour was uncomfortable in your presence, perhaps there were other reasons for that, that you might wish to contemplate.

 

[alfredmizen]

So just to confirm

Not a drink driver = autistic.



Interesting................................I shall pursue further research.

No it was his general demeanour , failure to make eye contact and his whispering to the other person in the group, which i later found out was an instruction not to let me know who he was , as i said , strange.

 

[glasfryn]

So it was not in Britains self interests at all?

what to have a whole generation of young men wiped out ...........not in their interest no

 

[alfredmizen]

Of course it was, you nasty, pathetic oaf.

Just for clarity - your observation was a poor one. I am not autistic so easy to shrug off, though I do take offence on behalf of friends who are, and whose children are, that you throw it around as a playground insult.

Like I've said, if my demeanour was uncomfortable in your presence, perhaps there were other reasons for that, that you might wish to contemplate.

its not just in my presence that you have that demeanour though is it ?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Can't this thread just be closed now that it's descended into pure binfest. The poll has been highly illuminating in that the overwhelming number of responders (95%+) would stick by their original vote. Is there really anything more to be gained from the thread, which can only go further downhill from here on in.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Can't this thread just be closed now that it's descended into pure binfest. The poll has been highly illuminating in that the overwhelming number of responders (95%+) would stick by their original vote. Is there really anything more to be gained from the thread, which can only go further downhill from here on in.

This.

 

[pb21]

Is there really anything more to be gained from the thread

Depends on how much value you place on one poster demonstrating in amazing clarity how much of an obnoxious oaf they are?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Depends on how much value you place on one poster demonstrating in amazing clarity how much of an obnoxious oaf they are?

Nothing that couldn't be sorted via PM and/or a pint and a manly handshake. Discussion is now so far O/T it's OTT.

 

[Audax]

I didnt vote because I do not think that either side gave sufficient definitive information of how it would affect us either way.

You should have voted Remain originally then. Remain = maintain the status quo. Everyone who didn't vote for similar reasons that you stipulated effectively made it easier for Leave to win and thus change the status quo.

This wasn't a referendum about two new possibilities, it was about staying as we are (for the time being) vs taking a big jump in a new direction.

 

[JCL666]

Can't this thread just be closed now that it's descended into pure binfest. The poll has been highly illuminating in that the overwhelming number of responders (95%+) would stick by their original vote. Is there really anything more to be gained from the thread, which can only go further downhill from here on in.

Are you kidding?

This is the best thread in AGES

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Are you kidding?

This is the best thread in AGES

 

[Baldseagull]

what to have a whole generation of young men wiped out ...........not in their interest no

That was the price that was paid. Not the result that was sought.
I am not going to try and give you a history lesson, and there are differing views, but Britain, acted in what it believed, rightly or wrongly, were it's best interests at the time, it was not an altruistic action purely for the benefit of other European nation states.

 

[Stato]

Can't this thread just be closed now that it's descended into pure binfest. The poll has been highly illuminating in that the overwhelming number of responders (95%+) would stick by their original vote. Is there really anything more to be gained from the thread, which can only go further downhill from here on in.

Although I agree with your point about the thread, which seems to have go very weird very quickly, I find it interesting that, if these figures are representative across the country (presuming that it is leavers who regret their actions) the small percentage who would change would be enough to reverse the decision. It makes me wonder why Cameron was so blase about allowing such a monumental change to be decided without requiring a significant majority. The Scottish and Welsh independence referendums run by Callaghan in 1979 had set a precedent for this requirement.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Although I agree with your point about the thread, which seems to have go very weird very quickly, I find it interesting that, if these figures are representative across the country (presuming that it is leavers who regret their actions) the small percentage who would change would be enough to reverse the decision. It makes me wonder why Cameron was so blase about allowing such a monumental change to be decided without requiring a significant majority. The Scottish and Welsh independence referendums run by Callaghan in 1979 had set a precedent for this requirement.

There's a theory, expounded most noticeably by Cameron's former senior advisor Steve Hilton, that says had Cameron held any other position than PM, i.e. had he been an ordinary MP or every an ordinary Cabinet Minister, then his natural inclination would have been to vote Brexit.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Hilton-Brussels-EU-referendum-European-Union

Mr Cameron is desperately campaigning to keep Britain in the EU after securing a reform deal with Brussels in February.

But Steve Hilton, who was Mr Cameron's most senior adviser, last night said the Tory leader was Eurosceptic by "instinct".

The claim is likely to anger Downing Street officials who believe Mr Cameron will resign in the event of Brexit.

Mr Hilton told the Times: "If he was a backbench MP or a junior minister or even a Cabinet minister, he would be for Leave.

"That's his whole instinct. That's who he is. As Prime Minister he sees it from a different perspective.

"That's perfectly reasonable but I think that if he didn't have that perspective he would be for Leave."

 

[Hillian1]

 

[Baldseagull]

Show me EXACTLY where i said that ? And they did offer us an armistice, why do you think hess was sent here.

Yes feckwit, they did offer us an out, and yes we chose to continue fighting. Happy to accept that as fact, never disputed it.
What I maintain, and you now deny, is that you offered it as an option we could have taken and that would have been in British best self interest to take. The inference being that by refusing we are the heroes of Europe and they should all bloody well remember where they would be without us.

I will apologise for the other portion you highlight, nowhere have you said exactly what I have accused you of, so let me rephrase it.
I am disgusted by your belief that no other European Nation sacrificed as much as we did, in that other nations who count their dead, in greater numbers than us, sacrificed less than us, because they had no choice.
I repeat, France declared War on Germany when we did, it was not under direct attack. France lost far more than us, so even in your narrow definition of sacrifice you are wrong.
I repeat, Britain had conscription starting in 1939 and throughout the second World war, so our soldiers had little choice, and I ask you again, in your definition of sacrifice, do the conscripted soldiers of Britain who died count?

 

[marshy68]

Please tell me what's happened to the emergency £30bln budget threatened in the event of an exit vote? Both sides LIED, but you sdeem to be very selective in which lies you disapprove of.

so are you happy with the state of the country, politics and £ now? Even the leader of the leave side cant face seeing it through. Total shambles.