Would you change your referendum vote?

[alfredmizen]

Very stirring and I'm sure, like Farage, it would go down very well at the golf club. However, your maths is also out. The generation we are talking about was born post war and through the 1950s. They weren't born when their parents voted in Atlee's 1945 government and were at oldest three years old when the welfare state was created, so couldn't have 'WORKED' for their benefits. They are the adults of the 1960s: high productivity, strong industries, low unemployment, high wages, educational opportunities, high levels of social mobility. All now picked apart, sold off or thrown away by four decades of selfish, short-termist thinking.

No , what is''out'' is not my maths but your perception of that generation growing up in a land of milk and honey with little hardship, rationing didnt end until 1954 , and your ludicrous claims that they were ''given'' the benefits you talk about such as the NHS ,welfare state and council housing , they werent ''given'' them as ive already said, they worked , for them, you sound like the single mums interviewed on Jeremy Kyle who tell us all that the ''guvvaments got loadsa money'' when asked where they think the money comes from to fund their lifestyles.

 

[alfredmizen]

Nothing has actually changed yet though, which is why the market has bounced back after the news of the result. Once we actually invoke Article 50, and the details of what leaving the EU actually means you will see the markets fall pretty drastically again, with no guarantee that they'll come back.

IF , and its still very much up for negotiation , we dont get a good deal, they sell MORE to us than we do th them , why would they make it more difficult for that to happen ?

 

[Two Professors]

Remain remain.

I bet about 10 000 leave voters have died since last Thursday already. Give it another few months and you'd not even have to rely on the regrexiters switching their vote to swing a 2nd referendum back to remain.

Ah the only Remainer from the North West.Bet your parents are proud of you,if you know who they are.

 

[Two Professors]

Remaining remain. Luckily the financial meltdown was averted by us not invoking article 50, but it's coming once the deal is done

Hope you havn't had a bet on that!Or are you an economist trying to pretend you weren't wrong?

 

[Stato]

No , what is''out'' is not my maths but your perception of that generation growing up in a land of milk and honey with little hardship, rationing didnt end until 1954 , and your ludicrous claims that they were ''given'' the benefits you talk about such as the NHS ,welfare state and council housing , they werent ''given'' them as ive already said, they worked , for them, you sound like the single mums interviewed on Jeremy Kyle who tell us all that the ''guvvaments got loadsa money'' when asked where they think the money comes from to fund their lifestyles.

Putting aside the ad hominem nonsense about Jeremy Kyle and getting back to facts, the baby-boomers weren't labelled 'the golden generation' because of all the hardships they endured:

http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2010/01/remarkable-personal-free

If you want to carry on mythologising, go back a generation or two.

 

[Two Professors]

Nice attempt at propaganda, but those who fought in the second world war aged 18-24 are now between 89 and 101. Most of that generation are dead. The generation that overwhelmingly voted Brexit are their children, the generation that was given the Welfare State, NHS, council housing, decent pensions, university grants, all the benefits provided by the 1948 Labour government and in return their majority bequeathed the sod-you-Jack Neo-liberalism of Thatcher and her ilk. Nice of them to top it with an unachievable attempt at isolation in an internationalist world.

Isolation?What an incredibly stupid thing to say.How many countries have Embassies in London?Have they all closed?

 

[studio150]

Simple Definition of sacrifice. : the act of giving up something that you want to keep especially in order to get or do something else or to help someone.

So you only need to give something up given that your deginition says especially rather than exclusively.

 

[Two Professors]

Why do you believe that EU employees working in the UK do not pay any income tax when their earnings are above the threshold.

Are you willfully trying to misunderstand what I wrote,or are you simple?Did I mention the UK?How much do they pay then-if it's the same as employees of the EU Commission it's fk all.

 

[alfredmizen]

Putting aside the ad hominem nonsense about Jeremy Kyle and getting back to facts, the baby-boomers weren't labelled 'the golden generation' because of all the hardships they endured:

http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2010/01/remarkable-personal-free

If you want to carry on mythologising, go back a generation or two.

Im not mythologising at all I'm recounting anecdotal evidence from family and friends.

 

[Two Professors]

Putting aside the ad hominem nonsense about Jeremy Kyle and getting back to facts, the baby-boomers weren't labelled 'the golden generation' because of all the hardships they endured:

http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2010/01/remarkable-personal-free

If you want to carry on mythologising, go back a generation or two.

So no war in Korea,Suez,Palestine,Kenya,Aden etc.Try learning some history stats.

 

[chucky1973]

I'm out out.

 

[alfredmizen]

Putting aside the ad hominem nonsense about Jeremy Kyle and getting back to facts, the baby-boomers weren't labelled 'the golden generation' because of all the hardships they endured:

http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2010/01/remarkable-personal-free

If you want to carry on mythologising, go back a generation or two.

Wtf would the author of that article know about hardships ? He went to boarding school ffs , my dads family were pawning the blankets off the beds and getting them back at the weekends , he didn't have underpants until he went to work ffs , so take your spectator article by a middle class Journalist , and shove it, it's laughable that you could use something like that to try and debunk what I'd written.

 

[Stato]

Isolation?What an incredibly stupid thing to say.How many countries have Embassies in London?Have they all closed?

I don't think you have a particularly strong understanding of the word 'isolationism'

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/isolationism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolationism

I don't feel the need to label you incredibly stupid though. That would seem fairly crass.

 

[Brian Fantana]

And you know this because ........ ??

A Master's degree in economics, a thesis on currency trading and market fluctuations and several years working in the City. Whilst it's not a total guarantee that the markets will suffer long term, it is very likely if you ask the vast, vast majority of those with decent experience of watching, working and writing about them.

 

[Stato]

Wtf would the author of that article know about hardships ? He went to boarding school ffs , my dads family were pawning the blankets off the beds and getting them back at the weekends , he didn't have underpants until he went to work ffs , so take your spectator article by a middle class Journalist , and shove it, it's laughable that you could use something like that to try and debunk what I'd written.

Although all born pre-1945, my dad's family had similar upbringings. However my originally post did not argue that nobody had it tough, merely that, for a lot of the generation we are discussing, things got much better than it had been for their parents and that they didn't continue to make similar improvements for the generations to follow.

 

[studio150]

Are you willfully trying to misunderstand what I wrote,or are you simple?Did I mention the UK?How much do they pay then-if it's the same as employees of the EU Commission it's fk all.

All easy to find with many EU countries having income tax rates at or above the UK rates.
Therefore please free feel to move and pay more tax but of course that doesnt fit with your view.

 

[Stato]

A Master's degree in economics, a thesis on currency trading and market fluctuations and several years working in the City. Whilst it's not a total guarantee that the markets will suffer long term, it is very likely if you ask the vast, vast majority of those with decent experience of watching, working and writing about them.

Steady. You know how sick the country is of experts. We now live in a world where making vital decisions shouldn't be clouded by things like knowledge, facts, or evidence. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[alfredmizen]

A Master's degree in economics, a thesis on currency trading and market fluctuations and several years working in the City. Whilst it's not a total guarantee that the markets will suffer long term, it is very likely if you ask the vast, vast majority of those with decent experience of watching, working and writing about them.

Ive worked the markets ,ive traded and broked several asset classes and i agree to a certain extent, what i dont thing youre taking into account is the fact that (in my view) we will get a far better deal than is widely expected .

 

[alfredmizen]

Steady. You know how sick the country is of experts. We now live in a world where making vital decisions shouldn't be clouded by things like knowledge, facts, or evidence. What could possibly go wrong?

like Mervyn King ?

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news...m-gloom-story-country-seeks-reasons-cheerful/

 

[Stato]

like Mervyn King ?

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news...m-gloom-story-country-seeks-reasons-cheerful/

I think that we all know from his time at Education, that Mr Gove actually meant that he is sick of hearing from those experts that suggest he is wrong.