Would You Be In Favour Of Mandatory Mask Wearing Again?

[Petunia]

He is out of icu thank god but still very poorly
Been diagnosed with Pims st very rare side effect of covid


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That’s a good sign. Fingers crossed he makes a full recovery soon.

 

[Weststander]

Ah that's it! A country with the highest pro rata fatalities in Europe, had the most ineffective track and trace system, and most infective PPE procurement somehow has managed to accurately assess a true figure of case numbers!!!... Damn those cheating Europeans! no wonder they all have to wear masks.. They are riddled with Covid and they don't know it!


Edit: just looked at your figures and France does 50% of the tests we do yet gets only 8% of the case we get.. I'm sure they must be lying.

The UK has lower total excess deaths per capita from the pandemic than:
Italy, Spain, Poland, Czech Rep, Slovakia, Hungary, Portugal and many other continental nations.

 

[vegster]

several hypothesis. masks and social distancing could account for some, also testing and recording are factors, early effects of waning vaccine another. heres a thing, the number of covid deaths reported are not 10-20%, but nearer 50%. are they 2-5x more likely to die from Covid in those countries? greater minds that ours are looking at this very question, the data however is not great quality.

For reference I mentioned current new cases in many parts of Europe being 10-20% of ours, not falities. It's incredibly odd that countries with high mask wearing, be it mandatory or voluntary,seen to have hugely reduced new case numbers.

 

[Weststander]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

Look at the testing numbers.

The French number isn’t on this website, but I found it elsewhere at 2,166.

 

[LamieRobertson]

For reference I mentioned current new cases in many parts of Europe being 10-20% of ours, not falities. It's incredibly odd that countries with high mask wearing, be it mandatory or voluntary,seen to have hugely reduced new case numbers.

Are you comparing the same volume in testing too?

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

So are we now firmly in Donald Trump territory that we only have such case numbers BECAUSE we test a lot of people, and not that there are a lot of people that need testing?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

So are we now firmly in Donald Trump territory that we only have such case numbers BECAUSE we test a lot of people, and not that there are a lot of people that need testing?

This is just ridiculous.

Businesses are requesting people being tested to go into the office (no issue with that) of course you are going to find more cases that are asymptomatic.

The irony of course if we went down the German/France level of testing and the cases dropped you would be screaming about the lack of testing.

 

[Swansman]

Weird how desperate some people are to have a raging pandemic with lockouts etc. Definitely Stockholm syndrome.

 

[dsr-burnley]

So are we now firmly in Donald Trump territory that we only have such case numbers BECAUSE we test a lot of people, and not that there are a lot of people that need testing?

No - the point is that if you randomly test millions of people with no symptoms, you will find asymptomatic cases that countries who don't randomly test will not find.

 

[Weststander]

So are we now firmly in Donald Trump territory that we only have such case numbers BECAUSE we test a lot of people, and not that there are a lot of people that need testing?

The UK was testing many fold more people per capita than its European neighbours, from March to July when the UK’s other Covid metrics were in a far better place than those other nations.

When, necessarily there weren’t “a lot of people that need testing”.

It’s a constant, just something the 4 UK nations have separately decided to do as part of their strategies.

 

[nicko31]

Are you comparing the same volume in testing too?

France is testing at about half our rate but even taking into account we still have 5 times the infection rate. More in less translates into deaths especially when you consider the 3 week lag of deaths versus cases.

Death 13 / million in UK, France is 3 / million

Basic mitigations save lives and actually ultimately saves the economy as well.

 

[Swansman]

France is testing at about half our rate but even taking into account we still have 5 times the infection rate. More in less translates into deaths especially when you consider the 3 week lag of deaths versus cases.

Death 13 / million in UK, France is 3 / million

Basic mitigations save lives and actually ultimately saves the economy as well.

But there are other countries than France where "basic mitigations" have made seemingly little difference.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

France is testing at about half our rate but even taking into account we still have 5 times the infection rate. More in less translates into deaths especially when you consider the 3 week lag of deaths versus cases.

Death 13 / million in UK, France is 3 / million

Basic mitigations save lives and actually ultimately saves the economy as well.

Considering you are digging out the gov at every chance, maybe you should just use England.

 

[nicko31]

But there are other countries than France where "basic mitigations" have made seemingly little difference.

I don't know, maybe there are. I'm just looking at countries close to us, Ireland, Germany, France, Netherlands....all have mitigations in some shape or form all significantly lower death rate.

 

[Billy the Fish]

All from Ourworldindata. It's all much of a muchness. % of positive tests is quite important to this debate, as is daily number of tests as those together have a huge impact on the reported cases number. Look at the charts, we're nowhere near as bad as people are making out.

 

[doogie004]

That’s a good sign. Fingers crossed he makes a full recovery soon.

Thank you .. still got his new away shirt on lying in his hospital bed always flying the flag for Brighton in Cornwall bless him


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[Billy the Fish]

Just had a closer look at the last two charts, Netherlands, Germany and Poland are doing hardly any tests in comparison but their % of positive tests is higher than ours.

And people are trying to argue that doing more tests doesn't affect your case numbers

If that doesn't put it to bed once and for all then nothing ever will.

BTW France are doing quite well in all of this.

 

[beorhthelm]

For reference I mentioned current new cases in many parts of Europe being 10-20% of ours, not falities. It's incredibly odd that countries with high mask wearing, be it mandatory or voluntary,seen to have hugely reduced new case numbers.

i know. i was making the point that cases (reported) are not correlating with death rate. if a country has 10% the cases you might expect them to have ~10% the deaths. we dont see that. draw a conclusion that they are more likely to die, under-reporting or not detecting cases. there are studies looking at increased incidence of other respiratory diseases across europe, because they appear to have risen curiously in the past year.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

This is just ridiculous.

Businesses are requesting people being tested to go into the office (no issue with that) of course you are going to find more cases that are asymptomatic.

The irony of course if we went down the German/France level of testing and the cases dropped you would be screaming about the lack of testing.

I'm not screaming anything, I simply posed a question by repeating something the former POTUS said.

Two of the replies gave decent measured responses, one went for hysteria - shame.

 

[doogie004]

Keep going Charlie you can do it
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