[Politics] Worst PM since Thatcher

[Lever]

Nothing wrong with Thatcher

Evidence?

 

[zefarelly]

Truss is the worst.
Boris and DC did the most damage.

Sunak is the best in that he’ll see them out power for many a year.

I wish I had your confidence.

I've had a vote since Major won . . . I've no idea who my local MP was then but I know I didn't vote for him . . . . Having said that, John Major would be a birthday present compared to the last 15 years.

 

[TheJasperCo]

And once again on this same thread, what is this criminal act ?

What was his role in the 'Dodgy Dossier' revelations and what did he know about the circumstances leading to the death of Dr David Kelly?

 

[zefarelly]

Not these days there isn’t.

Sadly there is . . . . Although rats are leaving the sinking ship at a pace.

Her legacy lives on, and will continue to do so for some years. Decades even

housing . . . . It wasn't a bad idea to encourage and enable families . . . . . But . . . Succession. Reinvestment? Pfhh!

she was great at flogging stuff off and making it look good . . . . . Where's the stock . . . . Even now . . . . Where's the nations stock? Anyone ? Electricity? Water? ( clean not shit) gas? Social housing? Student accomodation? Do we own any national assets? Aside the parasitic ones!

She will always be the devil that bred gernerations of greedy selfish bastards, and Now thanks to Cameron, who's on the same level, we all hate each other.

probably best to bury your head in a findus crispy pancake and blame the French

 

[nicko31]

Nothing wrong with Thatcher

Huge oil revenue out of the North sea and a decade long fire sale of public assets. Where did all the money go?

 

[drew]

What was his role in the 'Dodgy Dossier' revelations and what did he know about the circumstances leading to the death of Dr David Kelly?

But not one court, domestic or international has charged him with being a war criminal?

 

[TheJasperCo]

But not one court, domestic or international has charged him with being a war criminal?

No. No they have not.

 

[drew]

No. No they have not.

So you agree he isn't a war criminal?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Bliar... as he is a war criminal.

Which of the others on the list wouldn’t have done what he did?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I've never understood this point of view, so maybe you can help me out, H. Cameron was effectively on the losing team and the referendum was effectively the dreaded 'vote of confidence' in him and his leadership. In my opinion, he couldn't have carried on because he would be trying to implement something that he (apparently) didn't believe was the right thing to do for the future of the country. And yes, he called the election, but the people voted for it. If they REALLY didn't want it, the result would be a bit different to 52:48.

I get that it looks like he walked away – "to Nice, wiv 'is trotters up. (TWAT!)" – but can you imagine the pro-Brexit lot being happy about him leading us out of Europe when he wanted to keep us in? He was on borrowed time and if he hadn't have jumped, he would've been pushed. The following years have shown there's no shortage of fellow MPs who are willing to fack over members of their own party.

BTW: Please don't take any of that as a defence of the guy. I generally can't really contain my indifference about politics, but I just think, objectively, it's not as clear cut as being solely down to him.

Well....Cameroon used a promise of a referendum (which he thought he would win) to curry votes in a general election from people who would vote tory anyway, plus the Brexit labour wankers who he hoped would switch to help him become PM.

Great plan. OK, referendum then....

But he cocked up the referendum rubric (50:50), But he was PM. Lead on, whatever.

He should have been prepared to lead the country into Brexit if Brexit won.

But instead he f***ed off.

Contemptible dilettante 'leadership'. In every respect.

 

[zefarelly]

Well....Cameroon used a promise of a referendum (which he thought he would win) to curry votes in a general election from people who would vote tory anyway, plus the Brexit labour wankers who he hoped would switch to help him become PM.

Great plan. OK, referendum then....

But he cocked up the referendum rubric (50:50), But he was PM. Lead on, whatever.

He should have been prepared to lead the country into Brexit if Brexit won.

But instead he f***ed off.

Contemptible dilettante 'leadership'. In every respect.

Not as bad as Blair then, I mean, that's not a war crime is it, dragging the country down a shitty alleyway worse than has been seen since 1941. Just a mere coincidence.

 

[beorhthelm]

Huge oil revenue out of the North sea and a decade long fire sale of public assets. Where did all the money go?

welfare payments and tax cuts.

 

[drew]

Not as bad as Blair then, I mean, that's not a war crime is it, dragging the country down a shitty alleyway worse than has been seen since 1941. Just a mere coincidence.

But Blair didn't commit a war crime unless you have some evidence no one else has been able to consider.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

In Thatcher’s own words, her greatest legacy was Tony Blair and New Labour.

Blair is the worst Prime Minister by miles because he abandoned most of the principles of the party he was leader of.

I didn’t like any of the Tory ones but at least they remained true to Tory principles.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

In Thatcher’s own words, her greatest legacy was Tony Blair and New Labour.

Blair is the worst Prime Minister by miles because he abandoned most of the principles of the party he was leader of.

I didn’t like any of the Tory ones but at least they remained true to Tory principles.

Blair got elected and actually achieved things. Good things that helped thousands if not millions of people.

f***ing hell, if that's against Labour's principles then maybe I'll start voting for one of the other bunches of bastards.

 

[clapham_gull]

As bad as Truss was, she didn't damage our national institutions (and the Conservatives) like Johnson did.

We are still witnessing the fall out from it.

Johnson's perceived "liberalism" was to ignore personal behaviour in public office. Mainly his own. An individual not only unfit for PM, but totally unfit for public office. A bumbling journalist who ran out of luck.

He's broken the Conservatives for at least a decade. That is his legacy. The worst PM in my lifetime, the worst Conservative leader in my lifetime.

Not that I feel sorry for them, they knew. They all knew. They put that to one side to win an election. How many in party are still clinging onto the myth is remarkable. Well not that remarkable if you realise how the utter chancer enabled such "Johnson deniers".

Nadine Dorries. I repeat Nadine Dorries. The culture secretary who thought Channel Five had been privatised. The culture secretary who sat in front of a select committee and moaned about Channel Four getting public money.

He's a modern day Jeffrey Archer, but unlike Jeffrey Archer got the position he craved.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Nothing wrong with Thatcher

Disagree strongly!!!!!!! It’s all her fault!

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Well....Cameroon used a promise of a referendum (which he thought he would win) to curry votes in a general election from people who would vote tory anyway, plus the Brexit labour wankers who he hoped would switch to help him become PM.

Great plan. OK, referendum then....

But he cocked up the referendum rubric (50:50), But he was PM. Lead on, whatever.

He should have been prepared to lead the country into Brexit if Brexit won.

But instead he f***ed off.

Contemptible dilettante 'leadership'. In every respect.

But that's my point - how could he, when he'd nailed his colours to the pro-EU mast? I can't actually think of a decent analogy, but I'm sure there is one. I still maintain he would've been forced out anyway within months of he'd carried on.

 

[Rdodge30]

But that's my point - how could he, when he'd nailed his colours to the pro-EU mast? I can't actually think of a decent analogy, but I'm sure there is one. I still maintain he would've been forced out anyway within months of he'd carried on.

You are absolutely correct
Cameron knew that the euro sceptics within his party would never rest until he was gone, I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t told as much by the ERG. The only people who wanted him to carry on were remainders who wanted Brexit-Lite

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Cameron.

Rest doesn't follow if he wasn't PM