[Politics] Worst PM since Thatcher

[Brovion]

If we're looking at damage done per day in office, then there's only one winner.

However, Truss was such a flash in the pan that history will view her as an irrelevance, or at best as an interesting statistical quirk given how pathetically short her premiership was. A lot of people are (understandably) voting for her due to the direct financial impact she had (and is still having) on them through higher mortgage rates. The truth is that at least some of that increase would have come anyway, yet that awful mini-budget gets the blame for the whole hike. The problems she caused will be mostly ironed out in the medium term, so her long-term negative effect on the country will be relatively small IMO. That said, she was entirely unsuitable for the job and I can't think of a good thing to say about her time in office (and even less since).

For me, it's Johnson.

The damage he has done to the whole institution of government will be long-lasting, both from the perspective of those working within it and the public's perception of it. All done with a smirk at the behest of his financial backers so he can enjoy the life of luxury he feels entitled to, yet is incapable of achieving through legitimate means.

The lies and obfuscation were off the scale, blatant and came with no apparent shame. It's all just a game to him and he just doesn't care what he destroys to get what he wants. A weak, yet dangerous man.

Great post, and despite the fact I voted Truss I totally agree with you. I shall justify my vote for Truss by saying she did the most damage if you pro-rata it on a daily basis.

 

[maltaseagull]

All things in life and nsc always lead to Brexit!

I think the Remain campaign (all parties) was weak, blasé, disjointed, arrogant. If done professionally, it would’ve been a 60:40 Remain result. No one of note thought they could possibly lose. Whilst the Brexit side got every potential Brexiteer to the ballot box. Millions who didn’t vote, I’d guess in the age group 18 to 39, sleepwalked into something they loathed. I’m not necessary against referenda, Ireland and Denmark held them over key EU changes.

Didn´t Ireland have more than one until the desired result was achieved?

 

[worthingweird]

Bliar... as he is a war criminal.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Bliar... as he is a war criminal.

And once again on this same thread, what is this criminal act ?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Hard hard choice between Truss and Johnson.

Had to give it to Johnson on the basis that he was consistently crap over a longer period. A bit like a sewage treatment centre.

Truss was just something unpleasant the cat was burying earlier, and wasn't there long enough - a foul stench that fortunately wafted away in the gale she generated.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

And once again on this same thread, what is this criminal act ?

Not being a Tory.

 

[Lever]

When you look back on it, it is absolutely INSANE that something as complicated as leaving the EU was decided by the general public. I genuinely don't think I spoke to a single person at the time, leave or remain, who had a genuine, deep understanding of the inner working and the consequences of it. In fact, I'm not even sure I have since. Everyone thought they did, but very, very few people did. At the time, I was a fairly staunch Remainer, but was broadly in favour of the referendum because I thought Remain would win, but it would be close enough to make the EU shit themselves and make some serious reforms, before the whole thing fell apart.

The general public are FAR too ill-informed and ignorant to make that kind of decision either way. It was a ridiculous idea. And was the beginning of the total mess the place is now in with the complete polarisation of politics.

I absolutely agree with all of this. The whole thing took a wrecking ball to the tenuous cohesion of UK society and Cameron did not put in any 'safety precautions' in the in/out vote; the Remain efforts before the vote were pathetic.... and it was all Cameron's responsibility..... and that act delivered the mendacious liar Johnson to us...

 

[Tubby Mondays]

I wonder why people would vote for brown?

Not criticising. Just wonder what he did to make him worse than Truss/Johnson?

 

[zefarelly]

No point in voting If I can't choose 5

 

[WATFORD zero]

So of the 21 who voted Blair, only 3 actually have the balls to put their head above the parapet so sorry to the three of you,

May or Johnson, but Blair would be up there, people forget the disastrous War on Terror and how much of a poodle he was for Bush.

Blair ... as he is a war criminal.

Blair, if only for the war crimes.

And I know i've asked the question a couple of times and still got no answer, but I'll try again and ask why ? Two of you quote the war, so what was it he actually did ?

An answer would be appreciated, Thanks

 

[zefarelly]

I wonder why people would vote for brown?

Not criticising. Just wonder what he did to make him worse than Truss/Johnson?

I felt sorry for him, The most capable man on that list, desperate for the job and handed a Chernobyl hot mouldy potato

not the most charismatic nor media friendly /savvy on the list which is what wins these days.

Which merely confirms, the majority of voters are f***ing idiots. I'll rephrase that, a danger to the moral majority . . . . Who only have themselves to blame for not voting.

They're all c***s out there!

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Cameroon for the pointless Brexit referendum that he cocked up by not setting a 60:40 margin for change. And campaigning properly. Like when we had the vote to join.

And for then f***ing off, leaving the absolute chaos that followed. Years of pissing about culminating in the great Johnson debacle. Truss was just a pimple on the arse of it all. Sunk is just scorched earth.

Cameron triggered all that for no reason than a vain and needless hope of quelling the nutters in his party. He failed.

I've never understood this point of view, so maybe you can help me out, H. Cameron was effectively on the losing team and the referendum was effectively the dreaded 'vote of confidence' in him and his leadership. In my opinion, he couldn't have carried on because he would be trying to implement something that he (apparently) didn't believe was the right thing to do for the future of the country. And yes, he called the election, but the people voted for it. If they REALLY didn't want it, the result would be a bit different to 52:48.

I get that it looks like he walked away – "to Nice, wiv 'is trotters up. (TWAT!)" – but can you imagine the pro-Brexit lot being happy about him leading us out of Europe when he wanted to keep us in? He was on borrowed time and if he hadn't have jumped, he would've been pushed. The following years have shown there's no shortage of fellow MPs who are willing to fack over members of their own party.

BTW: Please don't take any of that as a defence of the guy. I generally can't really contain my indifference about politics, but I just think, objectively, it's not as clear cut as being solely down to him.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I've never understood this point of view, so maybe you can help me out, H. Cameron was effectively on the losing team and the referendum was effectively the dreaded 'vote of confidence' in him and his leadership. In my opinion, he couldn't have carried on because he would be trying to implement something that he (apparently) didn't believe was the right thing to do for the future of the country. And yes, he called the election, but the people voted for it. If they REALLY didn't want it, the result would be a bit different to 52:48.

I get that it looks like he walked away – "to Nice, wiv 'is trotters up. (TWAT!)" – but can you imagine the pro-Brexit lot being happy about him leading us out of Europe when he wanted to keep us in? He was on borrowed time and if he hadn't have jumped, he would've been pushed. The following years have shown there's no shortage of fellow MPs who are willing to fack over members of their own party.

BTW: Please don't take any of that as a defence of the guy. I generally can't really contain my indifference about politics, but I just think, objectively, it's not as clear cut as being solely down to him.

I agree completely that he couldn't stay after the referendum but who was solely responsible for that totally ridiculous idea

He was so scared that he would lose a few seats to a man that failed to get a seat in Parliament despite trying seven times and got beaten in a parliamentary vote by somebody in a dolphin costume, that he panicked and decided on a referendum for the country

The Conservative party always had a problem with their extreme right (Major's 'Those bastards') but he honestly thought he could paper over the cracks with the most stupid proposal ever. The electorate proved what we've always suspected and here we are

I used to get annoyed, but I now find the position of bemused bystander far less stressful.

Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite

Sorry. (I voted Johnson, but with Cameron a close second).

 

[zefarelly]

Not being a Tory.

Give him credit, he tried.

he presided over the best years of my life, it's been f***ing shit since really, politically that is.

Which further highlights what most (sane) people agree . . . A sharing caring (bit left) Artistically engaged & varied society (left) with a keen eye on the budget ( right but both . . . If you don't just read the daily mail/torygraph) and international partisanship (neither, the spineless wankers)and a willingness to share ( left) would be the winningest choice.

It's like we need a kind of democratic liberal party.

One can but wish.

a big whiff of green would help too . .Obvs.

 

[bluenitsuj]

Nothing wrong with Thatcher

 

[Tubby Mondays]

I felt sorry for him, The most capable man on that list, desperate for the job and handed a Chernobyl hot mouldy potato

not the most charismatic nor media friendly /savvy on the list which is what wins these days.

Which merely confirms, the majority of voters are f***ing idiots. I'll rephrase that, a danger to the moral majority . . . . Who only have themselves to blame for not voting.

They're all c***s out there!

He was a politician and not a personality. Should’ve called an election when he got the keys to number 10.

Would’ve won.

 

[nicko31]

If we're looking at damage done per day in office, then there's only one winner.

However, Truss was such a flash in the pan that history will view her as an irrelevance, or at best as an interesting statistical quirk given how pathetically short her premiership was. A lot of people are (understandably) voting for her due to the direct financial impact she had (and is still having) on them through higher mortgage rates. The truth is that at least some of that increase would have come anyway, yet that awful mini-budget gets the blame for the whole hike. The problems she caused will be mostly ironed out in the medium term, so her long-term negative effect on the country will be relatively small IMO. That said, she was entirely unsuitable for the job and I can't think of a good thing to say about her time in office (and even less since).

For me, it's Johnson.

The damage he has done to the whole institution of government will be long-lasting, both from the perspective of those working within it and the public's perception of it. All done with a smirk at the behest of his financial backers so he can enjoy the life of luxury he feels entitled to, yet is incapable of achieving through legitimate means.

The lies and obfuscation were off the scale, blatant and came with no apparent shame. It's all just a game to him and he just doesn't care what he destroys to get what he wants. A weak, yet dangerous man.

The Channel 4 doc on the rise and fall of Johnson I found depressing but also a compelling watch. The presence of Corbyn created perfect conditions for such a lying charlatan to take control of this country.

Please never never again anything like that, I really hope a lesson was learnt.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Nothing wrong with Thatcher

Not these days there isn’t.

Nothing wrong with Thatche

 

[Lever]

And once again on this same thread, what is this criminal act ?

He's terminally unlucky at thinking; you won't get a plausible answer..

 

[A1X]

Nothing wrong with Thatcher

Not anymore