Woman takes overdoes, gets brain damage and sues NHS for £2.8 million

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tedebear

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Yorkie said:
I agree. Men wouldn't understand just how devasting post natal depression can be.
I haven't had it myself but have seen the effects on others.

Indeed!! I had a touch of the baby blues but have seen a lady in my group with depression and it is a very very real and sad condition...
 




JJ McClure

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Yorkie said:
I'm not saying who's fault it is.
She will probably be in a vegetable state (brainwise) and need 24 hour care.

Would it not just be cheaper to pull the plug then?
 


Yorkie

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Would it not just be cheaper to pull the plug then?

There is nothing to say she is on a life support machine.

As I said I am playing devils advocate but I can see further than the length of my nose in this situation.
 


Simster

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ChapmansThe Saviour said:
They've settled out of court for 2.8, sorry should have made that clear.
The question is, why did the ambulance service accept such a large compensation figure? Maybe they know they were expected to arrive earlier than they did and could have done so? I don't know.

And as tedebear says, if somebody is depressed, they need help. Too many people don't understand the affects of depression. It might be that the NHS let her down by not helping her long *before* this suicide attempt...
 


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tedebear said:
Indeed!! I had a touch of the baby blues but have seen a lady in my group with depression and it is a very very real and sad condition...

I know of one lady who was so bad she couldn't even bear to look at her own baby.
This was when she got home. Her husband looked after the baby for 6 months while she had treatment.
She already had one child and was fine after that birth.
Post natal depression strikes completely out of the blue.
Not many people appreciate just how common mental illness is.

She's fine now btw.
 




tedebear

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Simster said:
The question is, why did the ambulance service accept such a large compensation figure? Maybe they know they were expected to arrive earlier than they did and could have done so? I don't know.

Agree - it is a large figure to accept - they must have known there was some sort of error on their part...
 


Easy 10

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"She said the ambulance took 30 minutes to reach her and there were "failures" in her treatment en route to hospital. "

"Mrs Burchell, who now lives in Milton Keynes, said in a document produced at the High Court in London that the ambulance should have taken only 10 minutes to arrive at her house."



Sounds like she's not in such a vegetive state as to be unable to state the timings for the ambulance, or the 'failures' in her treatment then. Still, £2.8m will get her a few holidays to cheer her up, eh.
 


Grendel

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Simster said:
And as tedebear says, if somebody is depressed, they need help. Too many people don't understand the affects of depression. It might be that the NHS let her down by not helping her long *before* this suicide attempt...

Or maybe she didn't seek help?
 




Yorkie

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Grendel said:
Or maybe she didn't seek help?

Most midwives & health visitors should pick up on postnatal depression. It is part of their training.
 


Simster

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Grendel said:
Or maybe she didn't seek help?
Maybe, maybe not.

But whether it's Australian's on Singapore death row, Brighton fans trashing pubs or depressed women seeking damages, you can bet we're not getting the full story - so being objective (and judgemental) is not easy.
 


Grendel

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Yorkie said:
Most midwives & health visitors should pick up on postnatal depression. It is part of their training.

It's incredibly difficult to "pick up" on depression unless the person in question talks to you about it.
 




Yorkie

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Grendel said:
It's incredibly difficult to "pick up" on depression unless the person in question talks to you about it.

No it's not. There are lots of signs. The baby not being cared for, the woman letting herself go etc etc.
 


Grendel

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Yorkie said:
No it's not. There are lots of signs. The baby not being cared for, the woman letting herself go etc etc.

From an NHS Website:

"Symptoms vary between women"
"Onset of PND may be difficult to identify"
 


tedebear

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Grendel said:
From an NHS Website:

"Symptoms vary between women"
"Onset of PND may be difficult to identify"

Agree - to the man or woman on the street it may be difficult to identify - but midwives and health visitors are extremely well trained to spot it. I have been asked countless questions in varying ways to ensure that I haven't got PND. Its more common than you would think and should be picked up very early in its onset....the poor lady in question's HV should have spotted it...
 




Simster

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Yorkie said:
No it's not. There are lots of signs. The baby not being cared for, the woman letting herself go etc etc.
To be fair, I'm not sure that "baby not being cared for" is a sign of depression Yorkie.

Grendel, you are absolutely right when you say PND (or any form of depression) is difficult to identify. However, quite often it is simply not the case that the sufferer does not talk. Quite often, they'll bottle it up in the first instance, then talk to a partner or parent - who perhaps does not immediately realise the problem. Then once it is identified with, quite often some people simply don't know who to turn to. Sure, you might try a doctor - but I'm sure some people don't believe that a doctor can help you with mental problems.
And then there is the loneliness. You can talk to your friends about the issues you have - but of course they have their own lives and often seem ill-equipped to deal with longer term problems of their friends. That's just the way of the world.

In the end, it can be very difficult for depressed people to receive the care they need, and I for one cannot be too judgemental when I hear stories like this. There must be some reason why the NHS accepted a huge out of court settlement like this. I reckon they know they failed her in some way.
 


ChapmansThe Saviour said:
A woman who suffered brain damage after taking an overdose has accepted £2.8m damages from an ambulance service over delays in reaching her.

Claire Burchell, 25, was living in Cleveleys, Lancashire, in October 2001 when she took the overdose while suffering from post-natal depression.

She said the ambulance took 30 minutes to reach her and there were "failures" in her treatment en route to hospital.

The trust agreed to pay compensation without admitting liability.

Mrs Burchell, who now lives in Milton Keynes, said in a document produced at the High Court in London that the ambulance should have taken only 10 minutes to arrive at her house.

'Waited four years'

She was suffering depression following the birth of her second child in November 2000.

Mr Justice Newman said it was a "wholly appropriate settlement".

The family's solicitor, Tom Osborne, said following the hearing that "from the time of the emergency call it took half an hour for the ambulance service to locate Mrs Burchell".

He added: "The family has had to wait four years for an agreed settlement and after their tragic experience we are relieved they have not had to endure the trauma of a trial."



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You take an overdose, it's your own fault if you get brain damage you f***ing MONG. If you're gonna sue anybody sue yourself.

Jeez.

Where's the story from? Can't find any mention of it on-line
 




Deano's Right Foot

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This is an interesting case. On the face of it you think WTF? But if you look at it more closely you can see that it's not as cut and dried as you though it was to start with.

We are certainly following the USA's lead and becoming more litigious. I read of a case recently where a woman successfully sued a shop for an accident. She tripped over her own child and hurt herself!
 




caz99

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they trust have also not admitted liablity, therefore not accepting blame. they are probably accepting causation which is why they have paid up.

the whole compensation area is in the midst of being overhauled to stop us having a 'compensation culture'. i deal with this all the time at work and you wouldnt believe what people will try and sue for.
 




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