[Misc] Will the Unions bring everyone to their knees?

[Thunder Bolt]

In the meantime, it is the loss of jobs which is the sticking point. Note the 'not allowing'

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[jackalbion]

I'm not clear what you mean by this. Perhaps I haven't understood you properly, but strike ballots often don't result in strikes. In my experience, short of a few zealots who dream that its going to bring down the state, nobody wants to go on strike. Its not throwing a sickie. Everybody who does it suffers financially by doing so and large numbers of them still spend their unpaid day at work standing on a picket line.

Quite, by the fact that GTR aren't striking, but reballoted and will be striking at a later date.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What are "trash articles" to you are "information articles" to me. I find it refreshing to hear Lynch give a direct answer to a direct question. How many times has the bc or one of his lakeys answered a question with "what the people want to know.........". Avoiding all questions is what the Tories do best.

I particularly enjoyed Lynch demolishing the vacuus Kay Burley. Ask a series of totally moronic, politically biased questions and get a series of direct answers that made her look oh so stupid.

I've quite taken to this Lynch fella.

If you enjoyed that, watch his interview with Richard Madely. A great use of the word Twaddle.

 

[Napper]

Good luck to the rail staff , hope they get what they deserve

Shocking the profiteering that takes place at the expense of the working man.

Imagine if you actually voted Tory

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Good luck to the rail staff , hope they get what they deserve

Shocking the profiteering that takes place at the expense of the working man.

Imagine if you actually voted Tory

Are you saying that unions are only unhappy under Tory Governments ?

 

[Stato]

Correct. I have belonged to two unions in my time. The first was for the energy company in Yorkshire which was for 25 years. We had quite a few ballots in that time, non of which resulted in a strike.

The second was my last job as a civil servant which lasted for 8 years. We had three one day strikes in that time, all balloted.

In my time, I've voted both for and against strike action, but always abided by the majority outcome whether I voted for it or not. Belief in solidarity and democratic values have seen me have to strike when I didn't want to and I'm pretty certain that I'm one of many many union members to have found themselves in that position.

On a side note, once, back in the eighties, I went on strike, but couldn't join the picket line because the trains were on strike on the same day as us.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Are you saying that unions are only unhappy under Tory Governments ?

Interesting that you answer [MENTION=365]Napper[/MENTION]'s post with a question rather than an opinion. I would have thought to most his post is pretty clear on what his opinion is.

I can give you a factual historical answer to your question in that Unions have been unhappy under various governments. But that isn't why you asked the question.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Demolished. That kind of hyperbole is what's wrong with the discussion in the media. It doesn't mean anything and just entrenches everyone in their opinion. Nobody is going to change their position and when you're presented with trash articles about "so and so demolishes MP during debate", it just continues to reduce the tone of the conversation and it doesn't help anyone.

I have no argument that the Union have correctly proceeded with the process of organising the walkout and there's no doubt that the members overwhelmingly support the action. But if you're unhappy in your job and you're offered the chance to strike, of course you're going to vote for it. The Union have successfully sold the idea to the members. I find it hard to believe that anyone who relies on the rail network to go about their life enjoyed their experience yesterday and I don't believe the majority of the country support the strikes - although that's purely my opinion and not supported by any metrics.

I am very sad at the state of society currently. It's not just the railways, it's all of society. The problems we currently have do not have a quick fix and we're only going to get more and more divided. I find it incredibly depressing that the divisions in society are so deep and everyone is so entrenched in their views that we're not going to make things better. Once this round of strikes are over and the workers have accepted a payrise of 5-8% (it almost certainly won't be more, and the Union won't accept less) - you know for certain that another industry will be next.

But.....she was demolished.

Yesterday I had a strong negative attitude to the rail usion and the leader. Now....I think he's pretty effective - at dealing with the usual types of interviewer intent on demolishing him. He used facts to....demolish her narrative. Like it or not

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Interesting that you answer [MENTION=365]Napper[/MENTION]'s post with a question rather than an opinion. I would have thought to most his post is pretty clear on what his opinion is.

I can give you a factual historical answer to your question in that Unions have been unhappy under various governments. But that isn't why you asked the question.

I answered the final sentence in his post because it seemed unconnected with the rest of his post. The reason it seemed unconnected is his implication that voting Tory is the cause of union dissatisfaction. That is clearly nonsense as you will know from your knowledge of the history. My question was to get him to look at the actual facts. Pretty clear I would have thought.
I have given my opinion in various other posts on this thread. On this occasion I chose to answer with a question. That all right with you ?

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

Or Johnson’s lapping this up. An old school leader in Mick Lynch and his Cockney rhetoric, a distraction from everything else, an opportunity seized.

Yes, without doubt. But still enjoyable to see Mick Lynch’s greatest hits compilation grow. The Centre Left politicians need equivalent balls.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The answer is of course no, people working from home where they can.

It’s just hitting the lowest paid and those that can’t afford it.

 

[Vaughan Storm]

My sincere condolences for your first word problem.

Why not team up with your mates and hire a minibus? You might even be able to get a driver thrown in.

I sort of have no football mates not gonna lie

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

Putin?

In the hierarchy of thumbs up, you got me there.

 

[pb21]

Yes, without doubt. But still enjoyable to see Mick Lynch’s greatest hits compilation grow. The Centre Left politicians need equivalent balls.

Big dog will be having bundles of joy playing with his new toy, something to entertain his owners and the adoring onlookers, with the added bonus of drawing attention away from the uncontrollable defecation he suffers with.

 

[Vaughan Storm]

May I introduce you to another new piece of kit? It;s called the internet and google search. Here, look, in one click I found this:

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well actually no away games pop up as we don't have any for a while so how would i know unless ive done it before?

 

[Bold Seagull]

I answered the final sentence in his post because it seemed unconnected with the rest of his post. The reason it seemed unconnected is his implication that voting Tory is the cause of union dissatisfaction. That is clearly nonsense as you will know from your knowledge of the history. My question was to get him to look at the actual facts. Pretty clear I would have thought.
I have given my opinion in various other posts on this thread. On this occasion I chose to answer with a question. That all right with you ?

So you honestly couldn't, wouldn't, didn't connect 'Shocking the profiteering that takes place at the expense of the working man' with 'imagine if you actually voted Tory'.

In anwser to your next question, it's absolutely fine with me if you want to play these games all the time.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

So you honestly couldn't, wouldn't, didn't connect 'Shocking the profiteering that takes place at the expense of the working man' with 'imagine if you actually voted Tory'.

In anwser to your next question, it's absolutely fine with me if you want to play these games all the time.

I am not playing any games. If you can’t connect the dots of industrial action taking place (because of profiteering at the expense of the working man) regardless of which political party is in power then you are being willfully obtuse. I am also not quite so willing as you to jump in and support a poster who continually posts racist and homophobic content, gets off on football hooligansim and walks away from anything more taxing than one line throwaway nonsense.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

I know the teachers are lining up as well.

I know you mean no harm but I will have to slightly take issue with the "lining up" phrasing.

Firstly, just to be clear we've not been on strike for about 7 years, and the last time was more about academisation rather than pay and conditions. Contrary to what the Daily Mail would have you believe, we were never close to refusing to go back into the classroom (which most of us never left) even at the height of the pandemic. Our unions are saying at the moment that they expect a pay offer soon, will spend the summer negotiating (if required), and may ballot us in September. I can guarantee every single teacher is hoping that the offer/negotiation is decent enough that we can accept it and not strike.

We're not moaning ******** spoiling for a fight. Teaching is a great profession, really rewarding, paid quite decently provided it keeps with inflation, obviously good holidays (well-earned hour-for-hour!) and we all love it.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

The answer is of course no, people working from home where they can.

It’s just hitting the lowest paid and those that can’t afford it.

Is it though?
I suspect the majority of the lowest paid, don't actually commute by train to their employment.
Even then, trains are still running and people will have been given the opportunity to make alternative plans.

The idea that this strike action is hitting the lower paid workers more than the shareholders of the rail companies is fanciful.
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[Thunder Bolt]

I know you mean no harm but I will have to slightly take issue with the "lining up" phrasing.

Firstly, just to be clear we've not been on strike for about 7 years, and the last time was more about academisation rather than pay and conditions. Contrary to what the Daily Mail would have you believe, we were never close to refusing to go back into the classroom (which most of us never left) even at the height of the pandemic. Our unions are saying at the moment that they expect a pay offer soon, will spend the summer negotiating (if required), and may ballot us in September. I can guarantee every single teacher is hoping that the offer/negotiation is decent enough that we can accept it and not strike.

We're not moaning ******** spoiling for a fight. Teaching is a great profession, really rewarding, paid quite decently provided it keeps with inflation, obviously good holidays (well-earned hour-for-hour!) and we all love it.

I apologise for my insensitive wording.