[Misc] Will the Unions bring everyone to their knees?

[Deleted member 2719]

F1 is shitehouse

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

You have not really justified your point here as "Tory Meltdown Incoming" is a statement and "Will the Unions bring everyone to their knees?" is clearly a question, and the answer is not clearly no they won't, because they could.
Its only the start from the Unions, surely you agree with that?
Hotels, pubs, and restaurants for example have been smashed to kingdom come by the lockdown, and the RMT cut their lifeblood off again as they scrambled from their knees to stand upright. So if the RMT and other Unions keep disrupting our economy, it could theoretically bring us to our knees.

There was NO thread on a National Daily News item, it surely needed discussing, in an open way, it really isn't my fault if people think after giving my views that I should change my mind to their view.
I have seen all they have to say and I stand in defence it is the wrong time to be beating the country with a heavy stick, and personally 85% of the time there just are not justified in striking.

It still amazes me that I am expected to accept others' theories and points of view yet, the same people can not except mine, they just throw insults.
Yet you let it happen.


Anyway, I'm off this subject to watch a sport we can all agree on F1.

Firstly, it’s the Government which is beating the rest of the country with a heavy stick, if only by dint of its incompetence.

Secondly, F1 bores me to tears, as does tennis, which is topical at the moment.

 

[CHAPPERS]

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ll-of-more-than-1bn-to-fund-upcoming-pay-rise

Massive real terms pay cut for NHS workers. Do we need to clap again?

 

[Bodian]

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ll-of-more-than-1bn-to-fund-upcoming-pay-rise

Massive real terms pay cut for NHS workers. Do we need to clap again?

It's been on the news all day that the 'Public Sector' workers will be getting around 5%, and I have already had someone say to me that I'm getting 5% so should be relatively 'happy'. But Local Government Staff are not part of this deal, we're getting 1.75%. I do wish the media would be more careful in their reporting - LG staff are still 'Public Sector'

 

[Machiavelli]

It's been on the news all day that the 'Public Sector' workers will be getting around 5%, and I have already had someone say to me that I'm getting 5% so should be relatively 'happy'. But Local Government Staff are not part of this deal, we're getting 1.75%. I do wish the media would be more careful in their reporting - LG staff are still 'Public Sector'

Well, I wish the media will stop referring to it as a 'pay rise'. Pay offer has the ring of neutrality that so many crave, but is patently a dreadful idea. Below-inflation pay cut or real-terms pay cut are my preferences, because that accurately describes the situation. Given that our political culture is anti-worker and anti-union, it's unlikely to feature prominently.

 

[drew]

Can't help feeling that this Government would welcome industrial action as they would use it to criticize Labour and what they see as their paymasters.

Might be the only realistic chance the tory scum would have of winning an election.

 

[beorhthelm]

It's been on the news all day that the 'Public Sector' workers will be getting around 5%, and I have already had someone say to me that I'm getting 5% so should be relatively 'happy'. But Local Government Staff are not part of this deal, we're getting 1.75%. I do wish the media would be more careful in their reporting - LG staff are still 'Public Sector'

local government dont get much in the way of grade increments and work related increases either.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The plan I outlined is fully 2016 referendum compliant, and has the advantage of not requiring another one - which is wonderful as the last thing we need are more referendums.


All sovereignty and "rule taker" lies have already been fully debunked on NSC before. The plan is fully thought through - any compromises on trade are no different to any that are made in making trade deals.

I can't sell the plan to the nation on NSC. I have no statecraft at my disposal to push it forward. In my 20s it could have been a lifetime plan to push it through, sadly I've not got enough years left now to get to such a position of influence.

Anyway, it is a plan, it works, it improves British lives universally. To me it is obvious. I only have criticism for any Government that doesn't see it.

Except you have missed the one fundamental flaw in your cunning plan.

It includes the word "European" which, as everyone is well aware, they are the enemy of the people and will ensure thst we can't take back control.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

It's been on the news all day that the 'Public Sector' workers will be getting around 5%, and I have already had someone say to me that I'm getting 5% so should be relatively 'happy'. But Local Government Staff are not part of this deal, we're getting 1.75%. I do wish the media would be more careful in their reporting - LG staff are still 'Public Sector'

The council I work for originally budgeted for 2% this year and are now assuming a possible 3% or 4%.

Which should buy me a couple of kit-kats I otherwise couldn't afford.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Anyway, I'm off this subject to watch a sport we can all agree on F1.

F1 is shitehouse

I never used to like it….but then Sir Lewis Hamilton came along. Not only an exciting and winning driver way out on his own when it comes to success but a humble gentleman from a modest background; a true ambassador for the sport and the U.K.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I never used to like it….but then Sir Lewis Hamilton came along. Not only an exciting and winning driver way out on his own when it comes to success but a humble gentleman from a modest background; a true ambassador for the sport and the U.K.

Wrong topic HT.

David Mellor has just quoted "silly wages, silly economy".

He has given a very true analysis here, hasn't he


I have yet to speak to anybody in the private sector with a rise of over 4%.
So the public sector are yet again going to get the cream, should they have been given a 5% rise

 

[Frutos]

Wrong topic HT.

David Mellor has just quoted "silly wages, silly economy".

He has given a very true analysis here, hasn't he


I have yet to speak to anybody in the private sector with a rise of over 4%.
So the public sector are yet again going to get the cream, should they have been given a 5% rise

By "get the cream" in reference to a 5% payrise, you actually mean "marginally less of a real terms paycut"?

For the record, I work in the public sector and might get 3% if I'm lucky.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I have yet to speak to anybody in the private sector with a rise of over 4%

I know people.

 

[usernamed]

By "get the cream" in reference to a 5% payrise, you actually mean "marginally less of a real terms paycut"?

For the record, I work in the public sector and might get 3% if I'm lucky.

Ex who works in Civil Service has just been told they’re getting 2%, so a further real terms pay cut of 7%.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Wrong topic HT.

David Mellor has just quoted "silly wages, silly economy".

He has given a very true analysis here, hasn't he


I have yet to speak to anybody in the private sector with a rise of over 4%.
So the public sector are yet again going to get the cream, should they have been given a 5% rise

I am in the private sector (albeit part time) and have just decided the month before last, to give myself a rise of 7% (and I can assure you I'm not alone in that)

So now you know of at least one

 

[Frutos]

Ex who works in Civil Service has just been told they’re getting 2%, so a further real terms pay cut of 7%.

Doesn't surprise me.

Each department sets its own pay award rather than one figure across the Service, but the expectation is that they will all be somewhere between 2 and 3% so it's all a real terms cut, the difference is how much of one.

 

[Machiavelli]

To add, for many including myself, these 5-7% real term pay cuts follow on from real term pay cuts of between 20 and 25% over the past 12 years. And yet the anti-worker ideology insists that we're 'getting the cream'.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I have yet to speak to anybody in the private sector with a rise of over 4%.

The things is, it's easier for private sector workers to get rises for a variety of reasons. My sector is particularly buoyant at the moment and I have a new client which came with an uplift in my rate. This was quite easy for me to do but not so easy for say a train driver, a teacher or nurse. I do not have all the economic arguements but if the goverment is happy to burn through billions in the persuit of sovereignty, pay billions to their chums for dubious contracts, then they should also be happy to pay vital workers a wage which at least keeps up with inflation.

 

[Doonhamer7]

Wrong topic HT.

David Mellor has just quoted "silly wages, silly economy".

He has given a very true analysis here, hasn't he


I have yet to speak to anybody in the private sector with a rise of over 4%.
So the public sector are yet again going to get the cream, should they have been given a 5% rise

Happening all over the place in private sector, we got a mid-year payreview (first in 15 years) which gave 1-5% depending on grade / current pay (anyone under £30k or bottom quartile got 5%). this was on top of pay review at start of year. And we’re still losing people / struggling to recruit. Our competitors have done the same. I read PWC gave 75% of staff 9% rise, which has knock on effect to other big 4 accountants and mgt consultancies this filters through all professional services very quickly

 

[beorhthelm]

To add, for many including myself, these 5-7% real term pay cuts follow on from real term pay cuts of between 20 and 25% over the past 12 years. And yet the anti-worker ideology insists that we're 'getting the cream'.

have you checked that number, based on personal or unverified source? for interest i've looked at payscales for local government, nurses and teachers and it does not look accurate. i was actually surprised, that upto 2021 they've broadly kept pace with inflation. might well be more applicable in private sector, more difficult to find clean data, though ONS data shows median hourly earnings (figure 1) have gone up ~22% which is about same as inflation over the period.

if theres a point here, other than the correctness of data, its we should focus on what pay increases should be now, not 10 years ago. very few people stay in same role or job for such a time to have been directly effected by minimum increases anyway.