Will Cummings go?

[clapham_gull]

The 43 Conservative MPs who think Cummings should be sacked or resign:

George Freeman, Douglas Ross, Harriett Baldwin,Roger Gale,Martin Vickers,Peter Bone,Robert Goodwill,Paul Maynard,Mark Pawsey,Robert Syms,Tim Loughton,Jason McCartney,Peter Aldous,John Stevenson,Caroline Nokes,Damian Collins,Philip Davies,Julian Sturdy,Alec Shelbrooke,Mark Harper,Stephen Hammond,Simon Hoare,Simon Jupp,David Warburton,Jeremy Wright,Mark Garnier,Andrew Percy,Elliot Colburn,Jackie Doyle Price,Bob Neill,Laurence Robertson,James Gray,Craig Whittaker,Robert Largan,Andrew Selous,Duncan Baker,Bob Stewart,Andrew Jones,David Simmonds,Giles Watling,Pauline Latham,Henry Smith,Stephen Metcalfe

The 16 who are highly critical of his conduct and/or don't believe his story

Penny Mordant,Sajid Javid,Richard Holden,Dehenna Davison,Paul Howell,Christian Wakeford,Fiona Bruce,Mike Freer,Tom Tugendhat,Robert Halfon,Craig Mackinlay,Jeremy Hunt,William Wragg,Jonathan Gullis,Steve Brine,Damian Green

 

[nicko31]

There had to be something good come out of this whole affair

https://www.brewdog.com/uk/barnard-castle-eye-test

All profits will go to funding our production of free sanitiser for the NHS & Health Care Charities.

 

[Mr Putdown]

My world has been turned upside down. This conservative government are planning to spend millions to get rough sleepers off the streets.

Irrespective of which party planned to do that, isn’t that a really great thing?

 

[lawros left foot]

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I know you are a die in the wool conservative and brexit supporter, but you have made some rational well thought out points over time, and didn’t strike me as the kind of person to strap some lead on and clear radioactive graphite off the roof just because the party told you to*.

Often criticising your party feels like bowling for the opposition, but sometimes you have to be a neutral in the crowd simply in it for the game, not who wins. I don’t think this is about party politics and Starmer and his team are keeping well out of it, and so they should as the British public won’t like them taking advantage anymore than they like Cummings taking the piss.

Same with Brexit really, if there are aspects you don’t like about what is transpiring in negotiations (such as say customs checks on goods moving within our own borders) then being against those doesn’t put you ‘on the other side’, what happens politically effects everyone.

If Brexit was about taking back control from unelected officials making rules, what exactly does it say about Cummings making, then breaking, then lying about them? Surely it isn’t the looney left that should be most mad about this? This isn’t about a man taking his family somewhere, this is about the very principles on which the government was elected so convincingly.

It’s a tough one because you know how many Labour voters are posting so the natural reaction is to defend, but there is a point at which you have to have a non partisan view. As said above, the very principles on which Cummings appears to have been successful in campaigning appear to be his undoing.

[*Ive finally caught up with the Chernobyl boxset]

That's all lovely (bonus point for mentioning Brexit) but unfortunately, you completely misinterpreted my post ... I wasn't defending the blue team, I was merely adding to the 'excitement' plethora of images/information posted in the thread that evening showing the negative impact of this story on the Tories support. I thought the title “the biggest drop in a poll lead in a decade” would have made that clear. Similarily pointing out some of the reaction to this story has been way OTT is not the same thing as defending Cummings or the government's response. My actual view which everyone seems to already know without me even expressing an opinion is that Cummings probably made the wrong decision but possibly acted with good intentions (safeguarding child) so not necessarily a sacking matter but the shambolic media management/mixed messages/government response has helped blow this up to a point where he should resign. Having taken the massive political hit there seems little chance they will get rid now unless new information arises.

Starmer and his team are well in it, have been all over the press and social media exploiting every juicy morsel which is fine that's their job. Also, numerous (not all) members of the red/yellow team on NSC are still viewing this story through a partisan lens enjoying the Gov's problems which is also fine but let's not pretend politics is not playing a role for some people.

Enjoy the boxset, a cracking series

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And a little miffed, that having been caught out he's got the PM endorsing the Jackanory explanation. Johnson doesn't care. Its a bit of a laugh, he knows its made up.

The epitome of psychopathic narcissism:

I could do a better job than the current (now previous) leaders.

The people will thank me for it.

This (and therefore I) am so important, anything is justified in the pursuit of my victory.

Er....

That's it. Time to move on

No it ****ing isn't. Shameful!

 

[lawros left foot]

 

[Is it PotG?]

I could do a better job than the current (now previous) leaders.

The people will thank me for it.

This (and therefore I) am so important, anything is justified in the pursuit of my victory.

Can't beat psychopathic narcissism. I KNOW such things.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

You're OK, mate.

I think I'd better follow up on your other news....albeit I'd be surprised if India decide to take on China, though. They can't even deal with a Pakistani racing pigeon

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52820119

This is what caught my eye

'All-out combat' feared as India, China engage in border standoff https://aje.io/pxkex

 

[essbee1]

Newsnight now being ticked off for their "unfair" and biased reporting the other day.

ffs. Typical BBC - run by loonies.

 

[clapham_gull]

Newsnight now being ticked off for their "unfair" and biased reporting the other day.

ffs. Typical BBC - run by loonies.

At least they know what an apology looks like.

 

[nicko31]

Newsnight now being ticked off for their "unfair" and biased reporting the other day.

ffs. Typical BBC - run by loonies.

And they still employ Andrew O'Neil, the friggin Chairman of the Spectactor!!!

 

[beorhthelm]

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they've had thousands of trackers ready for weeks. how they haven't gone live is a puzzle, seems stuck waiting on the app that isnt essential for basic tracking operations.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Newsnight now being ticked off for their "unfair" and biased reporting the other day.

ffs. Typical BBC - run by loonies.

Maitlis pulled from tonight's programme*. Typical bulling right wing Boris-slave BBC. Innit. There is so much media bias in favour of the tories that I want my license fee back.

No, only a wanker would think that*. But Maitlis needs to be publicly humiliated. Gertcha.

If any of that makes any sense to anyone.. it should.

(so boring blaming the press....the likes of Littlejohn and Bushell and their flagrant left wing bullying is long gone - makes me laugh to see gammon invoking media bias though*. One of the most stupid lines of 'reasoning' from the loony left I have ever had the disappointment to encounter)

*Very little of this post is factual or makes sense. Guess which bits?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

they've had thousands of trackers ready for weeks. how they haven't gone live is a puzzle, seems stuck waiting on the app that isnt essential for basic tracking operations.

They are waiting for their favoured printers to print 2 million flash cards that say 'Ta da!', but they ran out of blue ink weeks ago...

 

[beorhthelm]

They are waiting for their favoured printers to print 2 million flash cards that say 'Ta da!', but they ran out of blue ink weeks ago...

see, i dont know if thats a joke or not.

 

[rogersix]

Why don't they ever learn that the cover up is almost always worse than the 'crime' ?

desperation and contempt for the people

 

[Gwylan]

Starmer and his team are well in it, have been all over the press and social media exploiting every juicy morsel

He hasn't though - although I've seen lots of complaints that he's not been exploiting it. Personally, I think he's doing the right thing, he's giving Johnson plenty of rope. If Labour starts getting too heavy, the Tories will all regroup to turn their attention to Labour, at the moment there are 42 (and counting) calling for Cummings' resignation, Starmer doesn't have to do anything

 

[rogersix]

Cor blimey! Is that a Ganges number?..
Watching sailor as a kid is what inspired Me to join, My old man was RAF, he wanted me to join the crabs, once I’d seen sailor there was only one choice for Me, absolutely loved my time in.

so why did you leave then?

 

[Iggle Piggle]

He hasn't though - although I've seen lots of complaints that he's not been exploiting it. Personally, I think he's doing the right thing, he's giving Johnson plenty of rope. If Labour starts getting too heavy, the Tories will all regroup to turn their attention to Labour, at the moment there are 42 (and counting) calling for Cummings' resignation, Starmer doesn't have to do anything

Someone asked a Labour aide - i forget who - who was speaking on behalf of Labour yesterday. "Michael Gove" was apparently the response.