Will Cummings go?

[Triggaaar]

There will inevitably be differing views on NSC, whether about football, politics, music or whatever and that’s as it should be. I also understand the desire from some to ‘move on’ from the DC issue.

I don't like Boris, and I can't stand Dominic. He should be fired. But...

What I really DON’T understand is how ANYBODY with any degree of sense/intelligence/humanity can not be totally embarrassed and ashamed by the behaviour/performance of this Government since it took power just five months ago

Why should I be embarrassed or ashamed? They're self serving *****, but I didn't vote for them. What they do is not a reflection on me. And I do have sympathy with some who did vote for them, on the basis that the choice wasn't great.

but in the last few weeks in particular. The last five days have just magnified the sheer incompetence of the PM and his abject Cabinet.

What is it specifically that you're criticising over the last few days? DC should have gone, but will it hurt the PM to have kept him on?

 

[mikeyjh]

Yep, they were gas lit I'm afraid. I still view them as victims. It takes a strong person to admit they were conned, some are finally waking up and deserve credit

If anyone doesn't really understand gaslighting, this whole thing is text book. The instance from Gove amongst others that driving to test your eyesight is entirely normal has the best of us wondering if we're missing something. Who amongst us hasn't glanced across the living room to their partner or family member (at 2m) and said, "is it me? Am i going ****ing mental here? Driving to test your eyes?"

 

[Bold Seagull]

I agree, I am on record agreeing sack him.

As long as others that blatantly broke the rules too are also sacked and punished.

Kinnock did, so did Tahir Ali, so did Jenrick.

Sack them all.

You can’t sack Ali, he’s just an MP with no ministerial or shadow ministerial position. None of them can be sacked as MPs, that would be down to constituents using the Recall of MPs Act.

Jenrick and Kinnock could be sacked from their positions but they would remain MPs.

This really is the same anger Alistair Campbell used to get, and of course the same narrative that inspired the character Malcolm Tucker. We simply don’t like the appearance of individual power that hasn’t been voted for. We know civil servants have power but they also should always be neutral politically.

We can as constituents speak to our MPs directly, they are accountable, we can write to them and expect a reply. We have a choice to vote for them, we can recall them under the above act. We don’t have any of that power with Cummings.

 

[cunning fergus]

No place for your anti refugee agenda here. I hesitate to call it a racist agenda, but that’s my instinct. But I won’t call it that. Let’s just go with anti refugee.

And for the record, people who were caught with mates in parks drinking were fined.

This is about Cummings.

You’re feeble arguments are almost as pathetic as you.

Sure they were, punished they were. I have no doubt that those that were punished are feeling sore at seeing the likes of Cummings, Kinnock, Ali et al from the political class dodging a fine.

There isn’t one rule for the establishment and one for the rest of us............and don’t run the line that some how Stephen Kinnock is not part of the establishment, that family is like the new Hapsburgs.

Anyway, I will take being called feeble by you as an improvement in discourse on this thread it’s usually c*** or other profanity.

Still that says more about you than me.

Chin chin.

 

[The Clamp]

Sure they were, punished they were. I have no doubt that those that were punished are feeling sore at seeing the likes of Cummings, Kinnock, Ali et al from the political class dodging a fine.

There isn’t one rule for the establishment and one for the rest of us............and don’t run the line that some how Stephen Kinnock is not part of the establishment, that family is like the new Hapsburgs.

Anyway, I will take being called feeble by you as an improvement in discourse on this thread it’s usually c*** or other profanity.

Still that says more about you than me.

Chin chin.

“Miss! Miss! They did bad things too, Miss”!

“And don’t forget the dirty foreigners, they’re still being crafty. Miss! Miss!”

Yes, I’ll stick with feeble.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I appreciate you don’t want to confront certain facts that arise in the cut and thrust of chat, but my first post today was about the gross economic negligence of the last labour Government. That was not about Cummings but no one came up with claims of whataboutery.

Debates swing to and fro, throwing out points like whataboutery are a relatively new way for some to avoid certain points in debates, typically to those with opposing views.

I think it came in about the same time people starting using the word racist to do the same.

I may be wrong about the timing.

This thread is about Cummings and Cummings only. Start another thread about immigrants coming across the channel.
By mentioning immigrants, kinnock etc you are just taking the attention off the Cummings.


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[cunning fergus]

You can’t sack Ali, he’s just an MP with no ministerial or shadow ministerial position. None of them can be sacked as MPs, that would be down to constituents using the Recall of MPs Act.

Jenrick and Kinnock could be sacked from their positions but they would remain MPs.

This really is the same anger Alistair Campbell used to get, and of course the same narrative that inspired the character Malcolm Tucker. We simply don’t like the appearance of individual power that hasn’t been voted for. We know civil servants have power but they also should always be neutral politically.

We can as constituents speak to our MPs directly, they are accountable, we can write to them and expect a reply. We have a choice to vote for them, we can recall them under the above act. We don’t have any of that power with Cummings.

I will play along then, remove the whip and force them to step down.

They knowingly failed to protect the NHS.........they should not be in Parliament.

We can have the trial of Stephen in Neil Kinnock’s front garden.

 

[Stat Brother]

We do love a hypocrite:-

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He and Farage cast from the same mold.

 

[Motogull]

He and Farage cast from the same mold.

Funny you mention him. He has gone very quiet of late. Good, the strange kunnt.

 

[LlcoolJ]

I appreciate you don’t want to confront certain facts that arise in the cut and thrust of chat, but my first post today was about the gross economic negligence of the last labour Government. That was not about Cummings but no one came up with claims of whataboutery.

Debates swing to and fro, throwing out points like whataboutery are a relatively new way for some to avoid certain points in debates, typically to those with opposing views.

I think it came in about the same time people starting using the word racist to do the same.

I may be wrong about everything.

FTFY

 

[keaton]

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18482161.east-sussex-tory-councillors-voice-backing-cummings/

I particularly liked "Fellow ward member for Northern Rother, Martin Mooney added: “He did what any right thinking parent would have done.”"

"Kids I think have got a deadly virus, get in a small space with me for few hours"
"Kids,I think I've gone blind again, get in the car"
Anyone who doesn't think like this clearly isn't a right thinking parent

 

[cunning fergus]

This thread is about Cummings and Cummings only. Start another thread about immigrants coming across the channel.
By mentioning immigrants, kinnock etc you are just taking the attention off the Cummings.


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Fair enough Deportivo, you have a point there, this thread must not be sidetracked by another post unless it only relates to Cummings......nothing else must be allowed.

As an ex forces man I appreciate your deference to rules.......so as long as you are a shining example of compliance i will kneel at your feet in contrition.

Oh.

As you were me old matelot splice the mainbrace!

 

[WATFORD zero]

Fair enough Deportivo, you have a point there, this thread must not be sidetracked by another post unless it only relates to Cummings......nothing else must be allowed.

As an ex forces man I appreciate your deference to rules.......so as long as you are a shining example of compliance i will kneel at your feet in contrition.

Oh.

As you were me old matelot splice the mainbrace!

A shining example of compliance

 

[Wardy's twin]

Indeed he did, so contemptuous was he about lockdown he thought he could do a 300 mile round trip to sit on his Dad’s doorstep.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...k-targeted-by-police-for-visiting-father-neil

Sack Cummings, sack Kinnock, Tahir Ali and Jenrick.

Rules are rules.

All 4 cases should be properly reviewed and if any or all of them have broken the agreement then IMO they should go.They should be setting examples not breaking them.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Has it occurred to you that I always quote your posts (in full, unedited, something that sadly, you haven't always managed to maintain) and answer them. If that is misinterpreting your posts, maybe you should think about what you post in the first place

Remember, it's the internet, it's always there in black and white

You need to learn the difference between misquoting and misrepresenting. Think about what you post .... priceless.

It certainly is ... Brexit won't happen and we will have a hung parliament

The reason I said 'it's always there in black and white' was so that you had the opportunity to quote something I had said in an earlier post (preferably unedited this time).

So, instead you simply make up something that you think you may have remembered me saying at sometime. I see this may take a long while to explain.

'As an ardent unionist I would never ever accept a border in the Irish Sea' - you may be able to see an issue going forward with us each posting what we think we remember the other saying

 

[Wardy's twin]

Fair enough Deportivo, you have a point there, this thread must not be sidetracked by another post unless it only relates to Cummings......nothing else must be allowed.

As an ex forces man I appreciate your deference to rules.......so as long as you are a shining example of compliance i will kneel at your feet in contrition.

Oh.

As you were me old matelot splice the mainbrace!

So you think we should have anarchy, let the people do it as they will and then the strongest or luckiest pick up whats left. The rules/guidance/laws are there for a reason

 

[Lever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0na2Y_74_mk

 

[cunning fergus]

All 4 cases should be properly reviewed and if any or all of them have broken the agreement then IMO they should go.They should be setting examples not breaking them.

Absolutely, I completely agree with you.

We have seen advisors to the Govt lose their roles already, anyone in a position of responsibility elected or otherwise should suffer the same consequences if flagrantly disregarding the lockdown rules..

 

[cunning fergus]

So you think we should have anarchy, let the people do it as they will and then the strongest or luckiest pick up whats left. The rules/guidance/laws are there for a reason

Somewhere in between please.

In my view what lockdown has demonstrated is that if you want freedom you will need to tolerate idiocy, otherwise rules will be determined by the need to control the idiots.

The vast majority of people abided with lockdown rules, they understood the premis of not taking the piss. A point that applied equally under the stay at home message as it does the stay alert. Those who want controlling and need the state to control their behaviour are the idiots. We should ignore them.

£2 limits on FOBTs, banning menthol fags, Sugar tax, smaller chocolate bars, not being allowed to buy more than 2 packs of nurofen etc. are examples where laws/rules for the idiots win out. It’s why the idiots support them.

 

[Gwylan]

All 4 cases should be properly reviewed and if any or all of them have broken the agreement then IMO they should go.They should be setting examples not breaking them.

At the risk of going off at a tangent, Tahir Ali is not a member of the shadow cabinet and therefore cannot be sacked as he's only an MP. It's not possible for Starmer to sack a member of parliament