Wilkins, Hammond and Harding - Reaction

[BigGully]

Sorry but I don't buy into this 'loyal servant' nonsense. If Hammond was such a loyal servant he'd still be here surely?

Isn't it time all of you Dick Knight haters (some of whom appear to have an OCD when it comes to Wilkins and Knight) drew a line in the sand and moved on? This is a new Albion and digging up past/recent hostilities every few days does the new regime no favours.

If you take the view that the acrimonious split was driven by DK and not Hammond then you would expect a response to your view that Hammond was not a 'loyal servant'.

So the OCD you comment on, might be your problem and not necessarily those that hold a different view to yours.

But if a thread is started by others that specifically comment on those individuals then it is reasonable to offer views on those individuals.

 

[Bwian]

If you take the view that the acrimonious split was driven by DK and not Hammond then you would expect a response to your view that Hammond was not a 'loyal servant'.

So the OCD you comment on, might be your problem and not necessarily those that hold a different view to yours.

But if a thread is started by others that specifically comment on those individuals then it is reasonable to offer views on those individuals.

The OCD is definitely your problem (plus your female friend's). You two only ever appear on here when Wilkins name gets mentioned and then both of you go into your boringly predictable attacks on Dick Knight.

It is time to move on.

 

[ROSM]

Hammond was a good player for us - rather than a great player. At times his second touch was usually a tackle (a view held long before he left us) but he did score goals for us from midfield and his replacement (no plying his trade in scottish premier) didn't do that. However he left us and for all but half a season since, he's been playing at the same level as us and that says more than any of us ever could.

Harding - well there's two sides to every story (or 3 or 4) but McGhee (no fan of DK) does not view him highly and accuses him of messing us around. The booing seems to affect him so even if it is undeserved people will do it.

Wilkins - assistant manager to a team in this division. maybe that's his level or he's rebuilding his career ultimately who will ever know at the moment. After all he'd only been a 1st team coach for 10 games before becoming manager. Glad he wasn't booed although the argy bargy with Poyet and tarrico (no pun intended) seemed a bit surreal. I saw Gary Hart give him a sly look too.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I think it depends what your starting view on Hammond might be, including him leaving BHA ( with the associated DK view ) and no longer being our player, then if you wish you can construct a player assasination on any player, but if your honest and clear he is a player that we would love to have in our team.

I'm not in the habit of performing character assasinations, the reason I posted the comments was that they were made by a third party unrelated to the club, and were in answer to whether he is the best mdifielder we have ever had or just some Donkey (obvioulsy neither). The fact that two teams have taken DH and he appears to be an important part of the team at the Scummers could well mean my mate was wrong or that he's ironed out the faults in his game (or at least some of them) which seems likely

On the issue of how/why he left ... well their's your truth, my truth and then theirs the real TRUTH.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Weird you should say that. I often felt Hammond and Carpenter got under each other's feet, to the point of them not being effective at all. The manager's remedy was to drop Carpenter (on balance, fair enough), but it wasn't the only combination where the two central midfielders would often occupy the same space.

When Hammond was on form for us, he was superb, and would sometimes carry the whole team. His Player of the Season award was well deserved. But when he wasn't on form, he was - wait for it - anonymous.

Would I want him back? Even considering all the politics and finger-pointing and any water that has flowed under the bridge, now that we have Crofts and Dicker I would say 'no, thanks'.

Strange isn't it. I never noticed until it was pointed out to me and on many occasions he was right. Dropping Carpenter was the right decision.

 

[BigGully]

The OCD is definitely your problem (plus your female friend's). You two only ever appear on here when Wilkins name gets mentioned and then both of you go into your boringly predictable attacks on Dick Knight.

It is time to move on.

You just don't get it do ya.

I happened to offer a view on Hammond initally on my view of his talent and then in response to YOU on the matter Hammond's loyalty.

Whichever way you fall on this one DK is likely to be an integral part of that your view.

If you accept DK view then you are likely to fall on the side of 'Hammond is the son of the devil' whilst if you happen to feel or maybe of been told a wholly different slant on that episode then you will offer a view more like mine and some others that post.

My initial post was offering my view on Hammond's assets as a football player, it was you that seemed to question the political question of him leaving.

I think we have moved on, but commenting on past or present players happens to be what this thread is all about.

 

[BigGully]

I'm not in the habit of performing character assasinations, the reason I posted the comments was that they were made by a third party unrelated to the club, and were in answer to whether he is the best mdifielder we have ever had or just some Donkey (obvioulsy neither). The fact that two teams have taken DH and he appears to be an important part of the team at the Scummers could well mean my mate was wrong or that he's ironed out the faults in his game (or at least some of them) which seems likely

On the issue of how/why he left ... well their's your truth, my truth and then theirs the real TRUTH.

I didn't mean that you were performing a character assasination, I was saying that with any player you could highlight faults ahead of their attributes.

I always assume that any player is likely to be playing at a level that their abilities deserve, so I agree Hammond is a player of reasonable talent that offers good League 1 value and with a run of form maybe higher.

But still a certainty for a BHA starting spot at present.

 

[ROSM]

I didn't mean that you were performing a character assasination, I was saying that with any player you could highlight faults ahead of their attributes.

I always assume that any player is likely to be playing at a level that their abilities deserve, so I agree Hammond is a player of reasonable talent that offers good League 1 value and with a run of form maybe higher.

But still a certainty for a BHA starting spot at present.

but maybe not good enough to be our highest paid player ever?

 

[El Presidente]

I didn't mean that you were performing a character assasination, I was saying that with any player you could highlight faults ahead of their attributes.

I always assume that any player is likely to be playing at a level that their abilities deserve, so I agree Hammond is a player of reasonable talent that offers good League 1 value and with a run of form maybe higher.

But still a certainty for a BHA starting spot at present.

I think most people would have preferred if Hammond had stayed, just as we all would have liked Zamora to stay. Both players were given a chance to play at a higher division and can't blame them for that.

Some people seem to want to turn this thread into yet another opportunity to have a pop at DK/DW or one or both of the DH's.

Hammond's departure did appear a bit sly, but we form our opinion on the titbits we can glean from NSC and the Argus, and on neither of those media forums does he come out with his character clean, but it does not mean that they were 100% accurate.

He does seem to wilt under concerted booing though, so it is our duty to give him grief as fans if it can help the team win.

 

[Don Tmatter]

What was that all about, seemed a bit strange to me?

Looked to me like, Gus was going towards Pardew to say something and DW stepped in before he could get to him.

 

[The Wizard]

The booing of Harding was funny, he was shit as well which made it even funnier.

 

[BigGully]

but maybe not good enough to be our highest paid player ever?

Maybe, maybe not.

An emotive sound bite by DK when initially the club didn't originally seem in a hurry to enter into negotiations, months earlier when his contract was running down.

Maybe worth remembering that the overall playing budget has significantly increased year on year since Hammonds departure without any footballing progress.

I think negotiations should be prompt and professional and not played out in the local media, with the obligatory character assasinations.

Yep and they include agents and player's trying to maximise their earning capacity whilst club's ensure safeguarding their own interests but they need to be dealt with differently than previously.

Something I am sure this new regime will do.

 

[ROSM]

Maybe, maybe not.

An emotive sound bite by DK when initially the club didn't originally seem in a hurry to enter into negotiations, months earlier when his contract was running down.

.

His contract expired in June, the previous autumn negotiations started. What's wrong with that?

Incidentally it was confirmed by his agent that he did receive the offer stated but that he and the player felt he was worth more. Doesn't quite fit with the club needing to show ambition line which the player made prior to the DK comment.

 

[Seecider]

Harding

The booing of Harding was funny, he was shit as well which made it even funnier.

Harding was skinned by Coxy for the first goal, just like someone on this board predicted last week (except that they said it was Elliot who wo do him..

Admittedly only saw it on the box, but around the hour mark there was a one on one on the touchline in our half which Harding bottled so obviously it was really funny.

 

[The French Mistress]

?
I just wish we had him, the amount of times we've been out muscled this
season at withdean!

Yes we kept him quiet but hes a championship player and, Southampton wil march up that table with him at the forefront.

altho we out manoevred them today it was great but just a start. We need now to improve so that later in the year they will not turn up at withdean & totakky dominate at withdean with their power.

Probably 'cos the keeper was captain.

 

[Peter Grummit]

Wilkins. He did a good job getting us to 7th. But he is basically an introvert and struggles to deal with pressure situations. He takes things very personally. That was why DK felt that he had taken us as far as he could. His behaviour yesterday was consistent with this.
Harding. We know he is vulnerable (polite word). I thought Bennett running at him was going to be our best chance. As it turns out Coxy did for him in one of the best team goals I have seen for the Albion in a long time. Get in!
Hammond. He is a decent player but I found myself today comparing him with Crofts. Crofts has less ability running with the ball but a tremendous self-belief in his body language that gives confidence to the whole team. Hammond scored some good headed goals for us but I don't recall a finish like Crofts' yesterday where he trusted his technique to smack it first time on the run! So for me I'll back Crofts and Dicker, Deano can stay where he is. Crofts' goal was Sidwell-esque or the sort of goal Danny Wilson (or Nobby Horton) would have scored (for the ol' timers).
PG

 

[Brovion]

His contract expired in June, the previous autumn negotiations started. What's wrong with that?

Incidentally it was confirmed by his agent that he did receive the offer stated but that he and the player felt he was worth more. Doesn't quite fit with the club needing to show ambition line which the player made prior to the DK comment.

Exactly. And we got 250k for a player who was going to walk away for nothing a few months later. There's two sides to every story of course but Hammond (and his mates on here) have to do some serious spinning if they want to try and make out that he was the injured party.

Anyway, Hammond's moved on, DK's moved on, Wilkins has moved on, we've moved on and this is another story where I no longer give a toss who said what to whom and when and why. Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-ing!

 

[Icy Gull]

. Crofts' goal was Sidwell-esque or the sort of goal Danny Wilson (or Nobby Horton) would have scored (for the ol' timers).
PG

Hadn't thought of that, but you are spot on, Was it not Crofts who also had an earlier similar shot well saved? Blimey can we really have found a Horton/Wilson/Sidwell type player again? That would be quite exciting.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Crofts also played a major part in the first goal. A superb one-two with Cox caught Harding out of position. Extremely well-weighted, and smartly thought-out. He saw Harding was high up the pitch with Cox so ran over - demanded the ball off of Cox - and slide it into the open space on the right leaving Harding trailing behind. He is a good player.

 

[BigGully]

Exactly. And we got 250k for a player who was going to walk away for nothing a few months later. There's two sides to every story of course but Hammond (and his mates on here) have to do some serious spinning if they want to try and make out that he was the injured party.

Anyway, Hammond's moved on, DK's moved on, Wilkins has moved on, we've moved on and this is another story where I no longer give a toss who said what to whom and when and why. Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-ing!

I like the way you make YOUR point on an issue you then say you don't give a toss about, whilst announcing any likely response to YOUR view to being boring.

A little childish, if you have a point and wish to post it as you have, accept some might wish to respond.

I actually do not wish to respond to YOUR flawed view because I happen to find YOU boring.