Why shouldn't I vote for the Tories?

[Seagull on the wing]

. She's a good reason not to vote Tory. Along with the horrendous mess the current lot, sickeningly with the puny aid of the Lib Dems, have made of the NHS and social care.

Yes...just look at the mess the Welsh NHS is in...(run by Labour)...10 times worse than Englands NHS...that is why they are crossing into England to get treatment.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Is that the same 1% that pay 28% of the total tax bill...politics of envy..yep! let's do it the French way with their socialism...let's tax them more...make the rich pay....then they leave the country take their monies with them and pay no tax here....talk about shooting the Golden Goose.
You will always have the rich with whatever political system you use...be it Communism,Dictatorship or the NK system.
Just accept that some people will have more than you,some less.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I would like to ask all the potential Labour voters if they can honestly see Milliband as Prime Minister of this country.

Yes, I can. I would much rather have him than the present incumbent.

Mind you, I would rather have Mickey Mouse than the present incumbent.

 

[BLOCK F]

Milliband with Salmond as deputy PM. OMG!

Frightening, isn't it .

 

[BLOCK F]

Yes, I can. I would much rather have him than the present incumbent.

Mind you, I would rather have Mickey Mouse than the present incumbent.

Well,I sincerely hope not too many people agree with you.

 

[somerset]

Think the best outcome would be another Conservative/Lib coalition. The thought of goofy Milliband & his cronies in 10 Downing St scares me. Like Kinnock he is unelectable. Labour can't be trusted on the economy & I cannot see how they would do any better than what we have

Probably about right............ there is room for another term, one is never enough to see the full picture..... we are on the up in general, despite the genetically engineered ramblings of the left.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

My adult life began i guess in 1995 when I left school. Things seemed to be good at the time, I remember my parents seemed fairly well off, not rich but not poor. Then Labour won the election in '97 and led us to an illigal war in Iraq and a few years later the financial crisis hit, it basically ruined my life. Now, things seem better? Wages going up (not mine) unemployment low, the economy growing? I'm not pretending to know too much about politics but can't see how voting against the Tories will solve anything?

Forget about the personalities, most politicians seem pretty odious, all seem to be a certain type of person that you wouldn't want to actually spend any time with. Decide what you think is most important to everyone, not just you, and to me that is always the economy - if that is not good, no politician can do much. Also, I don't understand voting for a party just because of the name, or because your family has always voted one way, or an inverted snobbery of not voting, say, tory - look at the the evidence, parties change down the years.

Labour left us in the total doggy doo - not all their own fault, certainly, but they could have done more and it happened on their watch, with a leader who was supposed to be an expert.

Contradicting myself, but look at the labour front bench, a leader who is so wet and uninspiring (I actually quite liked him as environment sec.), a shadow chancellor who has no idea - none of them seem to be competant.

5 years ago I thought labour had the right plan to get us out of the mess, tackle it low and slow, and I thought the Tory hard and fast option sounded all too much. I don't actually remember if I voted, but if I did it would have been labour. I was wrong - Labour would kill their own families to have got the economy where it is now - not out of the woods but heading in the right direction according to all independant agencies - the rest of Europe would love to be where we are.

If nothing else, maybe go for "more of the same", you know what we have, the direction of travel, changing now would certainly be a leap into the unknown.

Then you have Europe - My instinct is to stay in, stronger together and all that, but I know the EU is far from perfect, but you can only change it from within. I feel if we left, regardless of the huge trade implications (not ne essarily negative, but a lot of work to re-create all the trade agreements), I think in 20 years we would not have a significant voice on any stage - little reason for us to be in G8 or whatever, especially if we scrapped nuclear weapons. I'm not decided on the EU question, this is just my gut feeling. Labour are commited to staying in anyway.

Upshot, I would probably vote for a Tory-led coalition if I could, but who with, the Lib-Dems won't be holding the sway. So, it seems like Tory to me, even though I'm currently on benefits due to health (bowel cancer and kidney failure), but I hope to be doing something soon. The next government won't be easy, but some things should be easing up gradually.

Don't be swayed what's cool or uncool, decide for yourself.

Blimey, that's a lot of typing with 1 finger while I do my dialysis and I'm sure it will be shot down (my points, not my dialysis), but I don't mind.

 

[lawros left foot]

I once worked with a woman who voted for John Major because he looked like her brother in law, II'm all for democracy, but some people shouldn't be allowed to vote

 

[Soulman]

Milliband with Salmond as deputy PM. OMG!

And Ed Balls as chancellor. Yikes!

 

[Titanic]

Not a great example, considering the French economy overtook our own in 2008 and has remained stronger since.

What measure of economic strength are you using when making that assertion?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

And Ed Balls as chancellor. Yikes!

Yes indeed, what a disaster for all. No thank you very much.

 

[chimneys]

And Ed Balls as chancellor. Yikes!

You would think the Labour strategists would appreciate that combination is going to be a much bigger vote winner for Cameron than any of his policies!

The thought of a Labour/SNP coalition nightmare will surely bring a lot of UKIP defectors back into the Tory fold.

 

[Titanic]

GDP

I know which of the current trends I would prefer...

 

[Tricky Dicky]

D

... along with the horrendous mess the current lot, sickeningly with the puny aid of the Lib Dems, have made of the NHS and social care.

This has not been my experince at all. I have had a huge amount of NHS care over the last few years, as already mentioned bowel cancer and renal failure - so, two major health issues.

It took a while to diagnose the cancer last year, but for pretty understandable reasons, but once they did I was booked in for my op within 3 weeks, and had it on schedule. The post-op care in hospital was superb. The ward nurses did seem to be under-staffed and very busy continuously, but they were always available for help and seemed to cover everything.

My renal care has been super, I was booked in for dialysis sessions as soon as I needed it, and I spent 6 months going in 3 times a week with hospital transport to the hospital and home every time. When I decided I wanted to do dialysis at home, I got the training I needed and all the hugely expensive machines (I'm guessing 30k upwards) installed at home, no waiting.

Not all my experinces of RSCH have been without problems, how could you expect them to be, but I can't really fault it.

 

[simmo]

The thought of a Labour/SNP coalition nightmare will surely bring a lot of UKIP defectors back into the Tory fold.

I concur. It should be a massive Tory strategy to say...vote UKIP and get Milliband and Salmond (as deputy PM). Can you imagine a deputy PM whom doesn't even want to be part of the United Kingdom? That is a pretty incredible (and appalling IMO) concept.

 

[sir albion]

Get on my nerves with the current political parties, if we get in we will do this. Not one political party has made a single effort to promote manufacturing in this country for so many years. How about turning the focus to building industrial estates and helping manufacturing companies get on their feet, re-invest in mechanical engineers and our young people, and bring the focus to buying our own goods.

Makes me sick when I see them celebrating the fact that the largest container ship arrives in the UK stacked high of electronic and electric goods, shame we are not celebrating the fact this container ship is going to other way full of our own goods.

Don't care how much they go on about this so called great economy, great economy in what? Someone please tell me. Our economy is just about buying things, not making things. I know we can't turn the clock back to old days but we can certainly do a lot better than what we are doing.

Absolutely spot on...
How long has it been since the demise of our manufacturing industry?
It seem's we have a bunch of clowns obsessed with europe and the rest of the world when it comes to exporting and do nothing but import.This country has huge potential to manufacture and these twats can't see it and won't do anything about it.
How come other countries can manufacture far cheaper than us?
The list is endless as to why many businesses can't compete with the rest of the world

I'll be voting UKIP as personally I hate everything about the EU and it's caused nothing but problems throughout Europe.

 

[Titanic]

This is a really good service by Google which uses public data to make customised graphs for a good overview of how world economies are doing. Whatever way you look at it, France's economy has done better than Britain's since 2008, including since Hollande:

https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata...DEU:GRC&ifdim=region&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

[h=1]CEBR Top 10 Economies in 2014: UK overtakes France as number 5[/h]
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cebr-top-10-economies-2014-uk-overtakes-france-number-5-1480988

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Not a great example, considering the French economy overtook our own in 2008 and has remained stronger since.

Obviously the richest 1% pay more of the total tax bill, because they earn considerably more. Considering they own more than 50% of the wealth, they should be contributing more - which is why they continue to get considerably richer every year, while regular people generally get poorer and further into debt. The richest 1000 people in Britain increased their wealth by £69bn in 2013. The richest 100 people increased their personal wealth by £25bn in 2014.

Judging by your post, I don't think you appreciate the scale of the growing inequality problem... and how austerity is killing our public services and middle classes, while making people with already astronomical wealth, considerably richer.

So what are you saying?

People keep going on about the richest 1% getting richer. SO what do we do? Tax people at 100% of their earning when they reach a certain wealth? THat works doesn't it!

Personally I believe everyone should pay the same rate of tax, but with a minimum amount of earnings before you are eligible to pay tax. DO not see why because you earn more money than someone else you should pay a higher rate of tax. You'd be paying far more tax anyway because you earn more, but why someone who earns over 40k a year sees their tax jump to 40% is as grossly unfair as people who use tax heavens to avoid tax altogether.

Of course the richer will get richer, they have money to invest so have the ability to get richer, its a fact of life.

What needs to happen is to stop them getting richer easily of the poor.

And Labour are just as bad if not worse than the tories for letting that happen!

 

[glasfryn]

My adult life began i guess in 1995 when I left school. Things seemed to be good at the time, I remember my parents seemed fairly well off, not rich but not poor. Then Labour won the election in '97 and led us to an illigal war in Iraq and a few years later the financial crisis hit, it basically ruined my life. Now, things seem better? Wages going up (not mine) unemployment low, the economy growing? I'm not pretending to know too much about politics but can't see how voting against the Tories will solve anything?

because one day not now but in the future you/or someone close to you will become ill, you will turn to someone anyone to help, and due to you or someone close you being ill, you will not be able to work, you will hope the good old NHS will be there to help you ................................but unfortunately the tories will have sold it off, they will tell you its a better NHS, bit like the trains and the post office they are better now but..................not for us, for someone but not for us.
lets hope your parents were well off as if they become ill you will have to look afer them or sell their house to do so.
so in short you will have to vote with who you think might be best for you, not us

good luck

Oh and just a little aside
whoever you vote for will be the same faceless, money grabbing morons, who will tell you anything to get your vote.

 

[El Presidente]

My son has higher functioning autism, he has been unemployed since leaving college 4 years ago, apart from a few shelf stacking jobs. He isn't stupid, (9 A*/A's at GCSE) but is a bit different, and anyone different, be they sick, disabled or poor, is a target for this party.

There used to be an organisation called Remploy that provided jobs for people with disabilities and special needs. More importantly than that, it gave them self esteem, a sense of purpose and belonging. It was closed down by Ian Duncan Smith, who claimed that nobody did any work there, and such people were undeserving of any sympathy or support from the state.

This is the same Ian Duncan Smith who employed his wife as his 'Diary Secretary' and paid her £15,000 out of taxpayer funds for doing sweet FA, who claimed £39 for breakfast on expenses (and you are paying for it suckers), yet claims that those on £53 a week JSA have it easy, who lives in an eight bedroom mansion with a swimming pool and tennis courts rent free, yet claims the bedroom tax is a necessity. He is the MP for Chingford, yet lives in Bedfordshire, as doesn't want to mingle with the riff-raff amongst his constituents. He is the man who introduced Universal Credit as a 'solution' to benefits, and the scheme has cost £621 million, including a £131 million write off.

There are Tories I have time for, but the likes of IDS are obnoxious, smug satisfied funts who will never get my vote, even though I would probably be better off financially. The reason why? He's 21 years old and has no future.