[Football] Why RB Leipzig is the most hated team in the Bundesliga

[Lyndhurst 14]

I thought this article gave a really good insight into the way the Bundesliga works and into German football culture in general

https://www.espn.com/soccer/german-bundesliga/story/4029702/why-rb-leipzig-is-the-most-hated-soccer-team-in-the-bundesliga

 

[loco61]

Bayern are the most hated team in the Bundesliga

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I thought this article gave a really good insight into the way the Bundesliga works and into German football culture in general

https://www.espn.com/soccer/german-bundesliga/story/4029702/why-rb-leipzig-is-the-most-hated-soccer-team-in-the-bundesliga

RB Dons


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[Questions]

Would never happen in England........

 

[Superphil]

They’ve apparently not spent more than €20m on any single player, they’ve invested heavily in a club that was languishing in the fourth division, they’re top of the Bundesliga and are in the last 16 of the CL.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

They’ve apparently not spent more than €20m on any single player, they’ve invested heavily in a club that was languishing in the fourth division, they’re top of the Bundesliga and are in the last 16 of the CL.

Yeah - it looks like their only crime was to be successful

 

[Questions]

Are they really disliked ? Like in a Bournemouth type way ?

 

[Pinkie Brown]

They’ve apparently not spent more than €20m on any single player, they’ve invested heavily in a club that was languishing in the fourth division, they’re top of the Bundesliga and are in the last 16 of the CL.

They weren't really languishing in the forth division. Red Bull purchased a non league side SSV Markranstädt, moved them away from the town & changed their name to RB Leipzig. For several years previously they were sniffing around established clubs to invest in, but met with resistance from fan groups. Thus they took the option to go for a club that was easy pickings. They've played fast and loose with the 50 + 1 rule which is blasphemy in the eyes of your average German fan.They are Milton Keynes on steroids. The hate for them amongst the old school is off the scale. There was a huge 'funeral procession' by Union Berlin fans en route to the Leipzig stadium last Saturday, carrying mock coffins and crosses. They take fan 'culture and tradition' seriously here. The clubs are nothing without the fans and the guardians accept that. Or most do. Those that occasionally go rogue often get 'persuaded' it's time to move on. Leipzig have no tradition (formed 2009) and have thrown huge money by German standards to get where they are. A club seen as no more than a franchise of the Red Bull world football 'brand.'

 

[RexCathedra]

The millionaire-owner thing seems to be a sort of creeping rot in the DFB. The 50+1 rule is under constant pressure.

Hoffenheim (ex 5th division), Leipzig (ex 4th division), now Hertha

 

[Superphil]

They weren't really languishing in the forth division. Red Bull purchased a non league side, SSV Markranstädt moved them away from the town & changed their name to RB Leipzig. For several years previously they were sniffing around established clubs to invest in, but met with resistance from fan groups. Thus they took the option to go for a club that was easy pickings. They've played fast and loose with the 50 + 1 rule which is blasphemy in the eyes of your average German fan.They are Milton Keynes on steroids. The hate for them amongst the old school is off the scale. There was a huge 'funeral procession' by Union Berlin fans en route to the Leipzig stadium last Saturday, carrying mock coffins and crosses. They take fan 'culture and tradition' seriously here. The clubs are nothing without the fans and the guardians accept that. Or most do. Those that occasionally go rogue often get 'persuaded' it's time to move on. Leipzig have no tradition (formed 2009) and have thrown huge money by German standards to get where they are. A club seen as no more than a franchise of the Red Bull world football 'brand.'

Fair enough, still not entirely sure what is so wrong with all that, they moved a club 7 miles, invested heavily in them, and changed their name. How many English clubs have moved (historically) location by a few miles? West Ham, Arsenal, Man City, Brighton, Southampton, Oxford? And loads have had an entity take them over, invest heavily and ‘win’ success, Liverpool, Many City, Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Bournemouth, Leicester, would any of these sides got anywhere without huge investment by interested parties? Each to their own, doesn’t bother me one way or another, if you want success, you have to spend the money, and corporations/businesses have the money.

Bayer Leverkusen?? Owned by Bayer.
Wolfsburg, owned by VW, their badge even looks a bit like a VW badge.
I guess you’re not allowed to criticise the establishment, it’s the upstarts that the elite don’t like.

 

[S.T.U cgull]

Fair enough, still not entirely sure what is so wrong with all that, they moved a club 7 miles, invested heavily in them, and changed their name. How many English clubs have moved (historically) location by a few miles? West Ham, Arsenal, Man City, Brighton, Southampton, Oxford? And loads have had an entity take them over, invest heavily and ‘win’ success, Liverpool, Many City, Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Bournemouth, Leicester, would any of these sides got anywhere without huge investment by interested parties? Each to their own, doesn’t bother me one way or another, if you want success, you have to spend the money, and corporations/businesses have the money.

Bayer Leverkusen?? Owned by Bayer.
Wolfsburg, owned by VW, their badge even looks a bit like a VW badge.
I guess you’re not allowed to criticise the establishment, it’s the upstarts that the elite don’t like.

There is a slight difference to Leverkusen & Wolfsburg which were originally founded as sports clubs for the workers of Bayer Pharmaceutical & Volkswagen, as opposed to a corporate organisation buying a pre-existing club, with it's own modest identity.

 

[Weststander]

Lovely stadium though. 43,000 capacity, but it seems bigger.

(CL match about start against Spuds, on BT Sport).

 

[Swansman]

Lovely stadium though. 43,000 capacity, but it seems bigger.

(CL match about start against Spuds, on BT Sport).

First time I'm hoping Mourinho to be part of a winning team.

The 51% rule is holy in Germany and Sweden.

That a few clubs are trying to work around it is disgusting, especially since its impossible to do anything about it. Cant take them to court or punish them for bending the rules, plenty have tried but lawyers say "once anyone takes the 51% rule to EU courts, its dead". When it comes to RB Leipzig it doesnt help that the company behind the club makes their money from selling poison to kids.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Keeps the monopoly at the top I guess

 

[Weststander]

First time I'm hoping Mourinho to be part of a winning team.

The 51% rule is holy in Germany and Sweden.

That a few clubs are trying to work around it is disgusting, especially since its impossible to do anything about it. Cant take them to court or punish them for bending the rules, plenty have tried but lawyers say "once anyone takes the 51% rule to EU courts, its dead". When it comes to RB Leipzig it doesnt help that the company behind the club makes their money from selling poison to kids.

It’ll have to be another CL club that punishes Leipzig, Spuds are getting torn apart down their left and right, 3-0 down on aggregate already.

 

[Swansman]

It’ll have to be another CL club that punishes Leipzig, Spuds are getting torn apart down their left and right, 3-0 down on aggregate already.

Yup. Well.. at least I get the pleasure of watching Mourinho lose. Wonder who or what he will blame.

 

[Weststander]

Yup. Well.. at least I get the pleasure of watching Mourinho lose. Wonder who or what he will blame.

Pre-match, both 5live and BT Sport had a theory that Mourinho’s ultimately and deliberately criticising Levy, in one of his typically manipulative routines. Using the media to tell the world “Look at what a poor squad I have to work with. Ndombele just the most expensive example of our poor recruitment”.

Wouldn’t put it past him, he plays barely veiled mind games, not just with opposing managers.

 

[Superphil]

First time I'm hoping Mourinho to be part of a winning team.

The 51% rule is holy in Germany and Sweden.

That a few clubs are trying to work around it is disgusting, especially since its impossible to do anything about it. Cant take them to court or punish them for bending the rules, plenty have tried but lawyers say "once anyone takes the 51% rule to EU courts, its dead". When it comes to RB Leipzig it doesnt help that the company behind the club makes their money from selling poison to kids.

Bayer own more than 51% of Leverkusen (100%), VW own more than 51% of Wolfsburg (100%), both have won the Bundesliga, and both have had significant success by being owned by huge corporations.

And selling poison to kids? Really? It passes food standards, they also sell it to adults, and it isn’t poisonous. Get over yourself.

 

[Easy 10]

First time I'm hoping Mourinho to be part of a winning team.

The 51% rule is holy in Germany and Sweden.

That a few clubs are trying to work around it is disgusting, especially since its impossible to do anything about it. Cant take them to court or punish them for bending the rules, plenty have tried but lawyers say "once anyone takes the 51% rule to EU courts, its dead". When it comes to RB Leipzig it doesnt help that the company behind the club makes their money from selling poison to kids.

Because god FORBID anyone challenges the Established Order of the Elite, and (gulp) ends up breaking into the Champions League. Lets just keep Bayern winning the League ever. bloody. year, and never have anyone able to ever step up.

Infantino will have an aneurysm if Wolves/Sheff Utd make next seasons Champions League.

 

[Stat Brother]

Pre-match, both 5live and BT Sport had a theory that Mourinho’s ultimately and deliberately criticising Levy, in one of his typically manipulative routines. Using the media to tell the world “Look at what a poor squad I have to work with. Ndombele just the most expensive example of our poor recruitment”.

Wouldn’t put it past him, he plays barely veiled mind games, not just with opposing managers.

I don't go with that theory at all, I instantly assume the pundits in question are just lazy.

It's been trotted out since the moment Jose arrived.
He knew the squad he was walking into.

Furthermore Jose would, and we all know he would, have demanded reassurances re future transfer window funds, before he signed.


Just because he always shits the bed, I don't believe he shuffled into WHLane with his trousers already round his ankles clutching a copy of The Very Hungry Caterpillar.