[Misc] Why isn’t there a straight Pride?

[Pretty Plnk Fairy]

When I hear ‘straight pride’ I think of a load of white guys dressed in cargo shorts, wearing MAGA hats, a white lives matter t’shirt and white socks with sandals. They will obviously be drinking Bud-light and listening to a lot of Dire Straits.

Sounds like a normal Friday night to me. Whats wrong with it

Regards
DR

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The West Midlands is very tolerant and has many Gay Pride events

Just don’t let them talk about it in schools though.

 

[The Clamp]

The West Midlands is very tolerant,and has many gay pride events.Our Mayor is openly gay,but belongs to the Conservative party and voted for Brexit,so is he evil?Why do some people find it necessary to vilify 52% of the the voting public when some are gay,and some are from multi-ethnicities.Perhaps Brexiteers should hold a Brexit Pride to confuse you lot!

You really do struggle in the 21st century, don't you!
He's an idiot if he voted for Brexit. Idiots can happen to be gay too.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Let them have a parade, let them spout their rubbish, let them look silly for doing it - and if they're genuine ********s it'll put them on the world stage and only further serve to support gay pride and all it stands for. My point is not what they're having a parade for - it's the fact that if they want a bloody parade, let them have one!

Maybe my posts are coming across badly here

Maybe,, but I get your point and whole heartedly agree with you.

I am a liberal minded fella, and opposed to all forms of intolerance.
But I have to say the shutting down of opposing view that has been happening over the past few years is wrong.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Regardless how abhorrent that point of view may be.

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

Sounds like a normal Friday night to me. Whats wrong with it

Regards
DR

I had you down as a Pabst Blue Ribbon type of guy but other than that I can see you as that stereotype.

 

[The Clamp]

Maybe,, but I get your point and whole heartedly agree with you.

I am a liberal minded fella, and opposed to all forms of intolerance.
But I have to say the shutting down of opposing view that has been happening over the past few years is wrong.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Regardless how abhorrent that point of view may be.

Get a grip. Who has shut him down? Has he been banned? Have his posts been deleted? No.
What has happened is someone has opposed his view.

"Shut him down". What the heck is the going on with this new wimpy attitude some people have adopted in the last few years?

 

[dingodan]

**** me! You really believe that bullshit don't you! Jesus.

I believe that we shouldn't view people in terms of group identity, we should view people as individuals. I think that a society which values the individual over the group has the best chance at eradicating prejudice and discrimination. I think that would be a good thing.

I also think that to the extent that you emphasize group identity you work against that, group identity is the foundation of prejudice and discrimination.

 

[The Clamp]

I believe that we shouldn't view people in terms of group identity, we should view people as individuals. I think that a society which values the individual over the group has the best chance at eradicating prejudice and discrimination. I think that would be a good thing.

I also think that to the extent that you emphasize group identity you work against that, group identity is the foundation of prejudice and discrimination.

You’re trying to intellectualise homophobia with cod sociology. It’s bullshit and it butters no parsnips here.

 

[dingodan]

You’re trying to intellectualise homophobia with cod sociology. It’s bullshit and it butters no parsnips here.

Are you saying I'm homophobic?

 

[The Clamp]

Are you saying I'm homophobic?

Nope.

 

[dingodan]

Nope.

Why would I be "trying to intellectualise homophobia" then?

The very post you were responding to was me saying that people shouldn't be judged by their group.

What gives you the right or reason to accuse me of defending prejudice?

 

[The Clamp]

Why would I be "trying to intellectualise homophobia" then?

The very post you were responding to was me saying that people shouldn't be judged by their group.

What gives you the right or reason to accuse me of defending prejudice?

Oh dear.
Show me where I have accused you of homophobia.
You are intellectualising something you haven’t recognised as homophobia.
I didn’t say you’re defending prejudice, I implied you have misunderstood it.

You say people shouldn’t be judged by their group.
That doesn’t mean they should stop identifying as belonging to a group. It means ignorant ****wits should stop judging the group they identify with.

That’s like saying don’t go to Brighton games incase someone judges you and calls you a homo. Join your group. Identify with people with shared experiences. Support your team. Whether that’s football or your gay mates on a float.

 

[dingodan]

Oh dear.
Show me where I have accused you of homophobia.
You are intellectualising something you haven’t recognised as homophobia.
I didn’t say you’re defending prejudice, I implied you have misunderstood it.

You say people shouldn’t be judged by their group.
That doesn’t mean they should stop identifying as belonging to a group. It means ignorant ****wits should stop judging them.

Actually you said I was trying to intellectualise homophobia. Which implies that I desire to do so, which implies that I am homophobic.

I said that people shouldn’t be judged by group, and, that emphasizing group identity is counterproductive. The point being that it's easier to say "group identity is irrelevent", if you don't then hold a celebration of a particular group identity.

Maybe you don't agree. Fine. But what I said is a) easy to understand, and b) in no way shape or form, wittingly or unwittingly, supportive of homophobia.

 

[The Clamp]

Actually you said I was trying to intellectualise homophobia. Which implies that I desire to do so, which implies that I am homophobic.

I said that people shouldn’t be judged by group, and, that emphasizing group identity is counterproductive. The point being that it's easier to say "group identity is irrelevent", if you don't then hold a celebration of a particular group identity.

Maybe you don't agree. Fine. But what I said is a) easy to understand, and b) in no way shape or form, wittingly or unwittingly, supportive of homophobia.

I don’t think you have a Scooby what you’re on about.
Whatever.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

The problem with the modern Pride marches is they have become far too over the top comercialised and sexualised in nature.

It's why many gay people won't attend as they feel it's not for them, they don't feel part of it.

I only have two gay people in my life and neither can relate to this culture that permeates the Pride marches nowadays.

For them it's become a commercialised drag show that doesn't represent them as regular centrist gay guys.

The straight pride guys would be surprised how much they have in common with the more centrist conservative people who are part of the LBGT grouping of people. If they got to know them.

 

[The Clamp]

The problem with the modern Pride marches is they have become far too over the top comercialised and sexualised in nature.

It's why many gay people won't attend as they feel it's not for them, they don't feel part of it.

I only have two gay people in my life and neither can relate to this culture that permeates the Pride marches nowadays.

For them it's become a commercialised drag show that doesn't represent them as regular centrist gay guys.

The straight pride guys would be surprised how much they have in common with the more centrist conservative people who are part of the LBGT grouping of people. If they got to know them.

Some gay people are camp as a glass spider and like dressing in drag or donning hot pants and partying the day away on a float. Some don’t like to do that.
With all these differing preferences and diverse tastes It’s almost as if they’re like normal people ;-)

 

[Pevenseagull]

I love a parade

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Some gay people are camp as a glass spider and like dressing in drag or donning hot pants and partying the day away on a float. Some don’t like to do that.
With all these differing preferences and diverse tastes It’s almost as if they’re like normal people ;-)

I think you hit the nail on the head. It's the tastes that are taking centre stage over the actual message.

Some fat hairy guy with his arse hanging out of his pants or simulating sex acts has as much in common with a regular gay as a cat does to a dog.

Pride marches are moving towards being just debauchery in public. Which if you want kids to be able to attend, is a turn off.

 

[Albion my Albion]

And its ok to make spelling and punctuation mistakes

That's one opinion.

 

[Megazone]

I think you hit the nail on the head. It's the tastes that are taking centre stage over the actual message.

Some fat hairy guy with his arse hanging out of his pants or simulating sex acts has as much in common with a regular gay as a cat does to a dog.

Pride marches are moving towards being just debauchery in public. Which if you want kids to be able to attend, is a turn off.

Just curious, is the fat hairy guy there every year?