Why is STILL ok to attack certain communities? SERIOUS QUESTION!

[Was not Was]

Or, maybe , horror of horrors, they were speaking from experience ??

Shaky ground, isn't it? I'm sure (in fact, I remember during the early 70s, as reported through my Dad) that when anti-Black racism was acceptable, vicious generalisations were justified by people's experience (of the "my friend's friend had a darkie move in next door and they smelt awful and made a bloody racket" variety).

None of that nonsense would be accepted now. But similar stuff about travellers is.

 

[Surrey_Albion]

I grew up on a council estate there were two well known "traveller" sites, and from personal expereince everyone one of them was an evil theiving bastard and I dont mean pinching sweets out the shop I mean drag people out their car and beat the shit out of of them before driver off, what also pisses me off is why are they traveling and if they are traveling why have a perminant site surley that devoids the whole point, I understand what your saying but I think the reason we can say it is (apart from them not intergrating into society or paying taxes) is becuase most peopl ewho have ever encountered a pikey they think the same thing, wheres I know some peopl ewho arent white who are twats but most are not with Pikeys its the other way around, IF you can find one thats Okay it will be about 1% of the nasty lying disrespectful law breaking scum bags

 

[bhaexpress]

Shaky ground, isn't it? I'm sure (in fact, I remember during the early 70s, as reported through my Dad) that when anti-Black racism was acceptable, vicious generalisations were justified by people's experience (of the "my friend's friend had a darkie move in next door and they smelt awful and made a bloody racket" variety).

None of that nonsense would be accepted now. But similar stuff about travellers is.

What Bushy and others (including myself) have said is based on personal experience, something that I rather doubt you have had. What we think is based on fact and not supposition.

 

[Common as Mook]

What Bushy and others (including myself) have said is based on personal experience, something that I rather doubt you have had. What we think is based on fact and not supposition.

Pikeys ruined a family wedding of mine. It took me a long time to see past that when talking about the travelling community.

Thankfully I remembered how much I hate generalisations and got over it.

 

[perseus]

Guards! Guards! The Guards comprise 45% of the population and they are watching you!

 

[Was not Was]

What Bushy and others (including myself) have said is based on personal experience, something that I rather doubt you have had. What we think is based on fact and not supposition.

1. There's no way that the generalisations heard about travellers (that would be unacceptable if they referred to any other community) are only expressed by people with sufficient direct experience to be sure that they are all 'vicious thieving bastards'.
2. The trouble is that defenders of prejudice always come up with the same stuff. Your justifications are exactly the same as those used by racists in the 60s and 70s. So what's new, pussycat? Is it that popular prejudice in the past was misguided but this time - at last! - it's evidence-based?

 

[British Bulldog]

It's a bit one sided talking about people's prejudice towards travellers what about the prejudice and hatred the travellers show towards the communities they move into? I mean it's not as if they move into a community and try to integrate with the locals is it? We had some Irish travellers take over a park just up the road from me a couple of months ago and it became a no go zone for the locals as any locals that did try to go onto the park were just met with the threat of violence and that included little kids who just wanted to play on the swings.

 

[User removed 4]

No mate, they're just bigots like you and me.

haha!

 

[User removed 4]

Pikeys ruined a family wedding of mine. It took me a long time to see past that when talking about the travelling community.

Thankfully I remembered how much I hate generalisations and got over it.

What happened ?

 

[Common as Mook]

What happened ?

Basically broke in and started nicking all the booze, jumping in and out of a pool, nicking the bands instruments etc etc

 

[Frank Gallagher]

That thread was quite something. Change the wording to Black, Asian, Jewish, disabled, gay or any other community and it would be racist/prejudice and all the attackers would be rightly banned.

And some NSC members might even come on here and start a thread saying why is this gay, i mean traveller/gypsy, defamation ok? But because a few isolated cases are shown by media outlets like BBC and The Sun painting this community in a bad light and encouraging the public to think badly of them then it's ok.

Double standards from the media, one of the last forms of accepted prejudice.

The sooner the law is changed to include Travellers/gypsy communities in the anti-prejudice movement the better.

I'm not a traveller, nor do i have any connections to a traveller community. But i see the double standards in this, and it stinks of hypocrisy.

Where else would a community of 80 families be kicked out of their home JUST because they were living on a disused scrapyard?

The issue been thrown about people is that the dale farm people were on 'greenbelt' land. They were breaking the law by a few square metres, on a disused barren piece of land which was a blot on the land scape itself. So people would rather see a horrible piece of concrete lay barren than a community of people put it to good use?

The Community Right to Build programme, a bill being brought in by this government, allows villagers to build on GREENBELT land WITHOUT planning permission. So why is it ok for villagers to build on greenbelt land and without the need for 'permission' but not for 'Travellers' to put caravans on it? Is this prejudism?

At the same time this government wants to stop travellers from gaining planning permission for 'illegal' encampments: Conservatives pledge to stop travellers from gaining planning permission for illegal permanent camps - Telegraph

To put it in perspective: Travellers: Own the land, go through the correct avenues to obtain planning permission, suffer a highly disproportion amount rejected planning applications compared to the rest of society. The villagers: own their land, freely 'allowed' to build on greenbelt.

This has ALL the hallmarks of prejudice.

The majority of male travellers commit crime on a regular basis, the ones that dont are to old.

 

[User removed 4]

Basically broke in and started nicking all the booze, jumping in and out of a pool, nicking the bands instruments etc etc

horrible bastards, you have my sympathy.

 

[Gus is god]

Were is this site in Newhaven going the place i thought it was, is up for Sale. The only other place is right after the protected land on the right hand side as your heading towards Seaford. That said if its there is not an overly bad area to stick it, i was speaking to a women in Seaford earlier and they said there is a site near buy and there is a man on site that makes sure they stick to the rules.

I have had no dealing with the Travellers down here but in the areas i used to live have had not nice experiences with them, my ex partners Dad cement plant was burnt down by them and they often shoot at him with air rifles when he climes up to do work and things on the machine, the Police are called on a daily basis more or less. He has tried to make friends with them but there not interested apparently the equipment makes to much noise, amazing thing is the plant was there before they moved in . They also stole the family horses, so not cant say im overly impressed.

That said i guess it would be bad to tar them all with the same brush but i know off 3 different sites were i used to live and every single one of them is a major major problem. So i dont hold hopes that other sites will be different.

 

[bhaexpress]

1. There's no way that the generalisations heard about travellers (that would be unacceptable if they referred to any other community) are only expressed by people with sufficient direct experience to be sure that they are all 'vicious thieving bastards'.
2. The trouble is that defenders of prejudice always come up with the same stuff. Your justifications are exactly the same as those used by racists in the 60s and 70s. So what's new, pussycat? Is it that popular prejudice in the past was misguided but this time - at last! - it's evidence-based?

I see, so our personal experience isn't good enough for you then ? Well I just hope you get the pleasure of having some of these nice people living near you soon.

Then you'll have to take your condescending head out of you PC arse.

 

[Common as Mook]

horrible bastards, you have my sympathy.

Yep. Wasn't very nice.

The police were actually fantastic that night though. Basically prowled the wedding site and kept them away afterwards.

 

[tezz79]

People don't like them for a reason, I've lived near to their sites in various places & they are mostly all the same. They rob intimidate & do what the f*** they want, simple as that

 

[tezz79]

Basically broke in and started nicking all the booze, jumping in and out of a pool, nicking the bands instruments etc etc

Yep had about 4 of em trying to break into my house one night while we were in, misses & kids were petrified...... Tables turned when I took my bullmastiff out there, no doubt if I'd caught them I'd be the one on the wrong according to a lot of NSC members

When they used to camp up by the racecourse I remember a few people being mugged at knifepoint under that tunnel near the garden centre, also taking the local children's scooters off of then seems to be the thing at the minute

 

[Was not Was]

I see, so our personal experience isn't good enough for you then ? Well I just hope you get the pleasure of having some of these nice people living near you soon.

Then you'll have to take your condescending head out of you PC arse.

This thread isn't about why you are prejudiced. It's about why so many people are. So, no, your experience doesn't explain why so many people find it acceptable to generalise about this group.

And there's nothing condescending about asking you to justify your views.

So how about you try to answer my question about how prejudice against travellers in 2011 is different to prejudice against African-Caribbeans in the 60s and 70s (or Jews in lots of places throughout history) which has been justified in the same way. Like I asked, is it just that this time it's true? That they really are all bad?

Oh, and who is PC Arse? Anything to do with Edna?

 

[piersa]

i really hope that anyone sticking up for pikeys has a whole community living on their doorstep very soon. Then come back and tell us how great they are.

 

[DerbyGull]

i really hope that anyone sticking up for pikeys has a whole community living on their doorstep very soon. Then come back and tell us how great they are.

There were some down my road, they stayed for 3 days then left, no mess, no violence, in fact i bumped into them and they weren't nasty at all. The families from the local estate however...